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  • #31
    Originally posted by Aeson View Post
    I'd be fine with compulsory voting if we could vote online or sell our vote to someone else ... nation of communist technophobes

    If you're a French Expat you can vote online. The French government has parliament reps for the Expat community.
    Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
      Compulsory voting works for Democrats because ignorant and uninformed people will vote Democrat.
      That must be exactly why the worst educated states in America are red states.

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      • #33
        You don't have to vote in Australia, you just have to go to a place of polling on election day, which is usually the neighbourhood public school, and have your name marked off the roll.

        You can throw your ballot straight in the bin if you want. You are also responsible, that word again, for keeping your enrolment up to date. Mine is out of date and I need to fix it before the next local election in October.

        The Electoral Commission, which is independent of government, runs the whole thing quite well. They also do other ballots like union or political party elections if asked.

        Basically it is seen as an adult citizen's duty in a democratic society to participate and most people take it seriously. We have a different take on freedom.
        Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

        Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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        • #34
          I'm a non-voter. I really just don't care anymore. It's just not going to change things. Call me stupid if you want, but I think we are the smart ones.
          I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
          - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Alexander's Horse View Post
            you just have to go to a place of polling on election day ...
            You can throw your ballot straight in the bin if you want.

            Basically it is seen as an adult citizen's duty in a democratic society to participate and most people take it seriously. We have a different take on freedom.
            You also have a different take on efficient use of time and resources.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
              Compulsory voting works for Democrats because ignorant and uninformed people will vote Democrat.
              I have a degree in economics and I don't vote. It's not worth my time.
              I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
              - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                The disinterested are probably even more ignorant. 5% of Americans or so don't know who Mitt Romney is right now. If you're that disinterested, we don't want your opinion.
                Does anyone really know who Mitt Romney is?

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                • #38
                  Yes, of course; I mean, no of course not; I mean, yes of course....
                  "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                    Compulsory voting works for Democrats because ignorant and uninformed people will vote Democrat.


                    Not considering rednecks and ghetto dwellers like yourself ?
                    "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                    • #40
                      Voting shouldn't be compulsory, but it should be a requirement for receiving government services.
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                      "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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                      • #41
                        Remember, Service Guarantees Citizenship!

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Felch View Post
                          Realistically speaking, do you really want the ignorant and disinterested voting in the first place?
                          Yes.

                          The ignorant already vote. The GOP depends on it.

                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                            The disinterested are probably even more ignorant.
                            I disagree. They may be more intelligent.

                            Intelligent people cannot claim to be "interested" by politics. Politics are for the mediocre.

                            I can't be bothered to vote in most elections, yet I would consider myself far more informed than the majority of people who did vote.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                              Remember, Service Guarantees Citizenship!
                              Damn straight.
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                              "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                                That must be exactly why the worst educated states in America are red states.
                                And also why democrats are across the board statistically more educated and intelligent.



                                Political, religious and sexual behaviors may be reflections of intelligence, a new study finds.

                                Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.

                                The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say. But they show how certain patterns of identifying with particular ideologies develop, and how some people's behaviors come to be.

                                The reasoning is that sexual exclusivity in men, liberalism and atheism all go against what would be expected given humans' evolutionary past. In other words, none of these traits would have benefited our early human ancestors, but higher intelligence may be associated with them.

                                "The adoption of some evolutionarily novel ideas makes some sense in terms of moving the species forward," said George Washington University leadership professor James Bailey, who was not involved in the study. "It also makes perfect sense that more intelligent people -- people with, sort of, more intellectual firepower -- are likely to be the ones to do that."

                                Bailey also said that these preferences may stem from a desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ. In fact, aligning oneself with "unconventional" philosophies such as liberalism or atheism may be "ways to communicate to everyone that you're pretty smart," he said.

                                The study looked at a large sample from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), which began with adolescents in grades 7-12 in the United States during the 1994-95 school year. The participants were interviewed as 18- to 28-year-olds from 2001 to 2002. The study also looked at the General Social Survey, another cross-national data collection source.

                                Kanazawa did not find that higher or lower intelligence predicted sexual exclusivity in women. This makes sense, because having one partner has always been advantageous to women, even thousands of years ago, meaning exclusivity is not a "new" preference.

                                For men, on the other hand, sexual exclusivity goes against the grain evolutionarily. With a goal of spreading genes, early men had multiple mates. Since women had to spend nine months being pregnant, and additional years caring for very young children, it made sense for them to want a steady mate to provide them resources.

                                Religion, the current theory goes, did not help people survive or reproduce necessarily, but goes along the lines of helping people to be paranoid, Kanazawa said. Assuming that, for example, a noise in the distance is a signal of a threat helped early humans to prepare in case of danger.

                                "It helps life to be paranoid, and because humans are paranoid, they become more religious, and they see the hands of God everywhere," Kanazawa said.

                                Participants who said they were atheists had an average IQ of 103 in adolescence, while adults who said they were religious averaged 97, the study found. Atheism "allows someone to move forward and speculate on life without any concern for the dogmatic structure of a religion," Bailey said.

                                "Historically, anything that's new and different can be seen as a threat in terms of the religious beliefs; almost all religious systems are about permanence," he noted.

                                The study takes the American view of liberal vs. conservative. It defines "liberal" in terms of concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people. It does not look at other factors that play into American political beliefs, such as abortion, gun control and gay rights.

                                "Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with people they associate with," he said.

                                Given that human ancestors had a keen interest in the survival of their offspring and nearest kin, the conservative approach -- looking out for the people around you first -- fits with the evolutionary picture more than liberalism, Kanazawa said. "It's unnatural for humans to be concerned about total strangers." he said.

                                The study found that young adults who said they were "very conservative" had an average adolescent IQ of 95, whereas those who said they were "very liberal" averaged 106.

                                It also makes sense that "conservatism" as a worldview of keeping things stable would be a safer approach than venturing toward the unfamiliar, Bailey said.

                                Neither Bailey nor Kanazawa identify themselves as liberal; Bailey is conservative and Kanazawa is "a strong libertarian."

                                Vegetarianism, while not strongly associated with IQ in this study, has been shown to be related to intelligence in previous research, Kanazawa said. This also fits into Bailey's idea that unconventional preferences appeal to people with higher intelligence, and can also be a means of showing superiority.

                                None of this means that the human species is evolving toward a future where these traits are the default, Kanazawa said.

                                "More intelligent people don't have more children, so moving away from the trajectory is not going to happen," he said.
                                I hit all the checkboxes.
                                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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