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[Lorizael]

(It is impossible to prove anything with 0 assumptions. But I am not suggesting anyone try that, or that that has any meaning. Trying to do so is just silly.)

My entire metaphysical philosophy is based on this idea, and it's worked out pretty well so far.

[DaShi]

No.

It is possible to scientifically prove some things within the assumptions of science (it is proven that it is impossible to prove all things with the assumptions of science).

What can't be proved with the assumptions of science? Can faeries? Unicorns? Dark matter? Where's the limit?

[Al B. Sure!]

Hey I thought this thread was about Pax.

[giblets]

Just accept that your philosophy is weak.

When you think proof you think science.

JM

No. And you're the one claiming that claiming God is imaginary is no different from claiming that relationships are imaginary. That's absurd, because it's entirely possible that humans are real but God is imaginary.

[DaShi]

God is a little more important, I think.

[giblets]

Hey I thought this thread was about Pax.

It was until the theists decided to ruin it with bad philosophy.

[Jon Miller]

What can't be proved with the assumptions of science? Can faeries? Unicorns? Dark matter? Where's the limit?

Depends on the claimed properties of faeries, unicorns, and dark matter.

A lot of dark matter is currently unprovable using science, but all of it (as it is known now) is provable using the assumptions of science. We are just lacking technical know how.

Standard descriptions of unicorns and faeries are provable by science now, and have already been disproven. A hypothetical plutonian unicorn is of course currently unprovable but would be provable using the assumptions of science. Also, no one has any reason to think such a being exists, unlike God.

JM

[Jon Miller]

It was until the theists decided to ruin it with bad philosophy.

It was until an atheist decided to attack deists again.

Like at least one tends to do in every thread.

Deists attacking atheists is much more rare.

JM

[Al B. Sure!]

Deists attacking atheists is much more rare.

JM

Yeah. They didn't 'attack' them on a forum. They burned them at the stake.

And it's Theist that you want, not Deist. Deists believe a personal relationship with a God is impossible, the crux of this debate.

[DaShi]

Depends on the claimed properties of faeries, unicorns, and dark matter.

A lot of dark matter is currently unprovable using science, but all of it (as it is known now) is provable using the assumptions of science. We are just lacking technical know how.

Standard descriptions of unicorns and faeries are provable by science now, and have already been disproven. A hypothetical plutonian unicorn is of course currently unprovable but would be provable using the assumptions of science. Also, no one has any reason to think such a being exists, unlike God.

JM

I see, so long as we give certain "claimed properties" to anything, it can exist without scientific proof?

What "claimed properties" would allow faeries to exist?

[Al B. Sure!]

Anyway, it's all moot if Pax is an atheist.

[Jon Miller]

I believe that Pax is some type of Christian, which is why Kid's comment was expected (for a Christian).

JM

[Jon Miller]

I see, so long as we give certain "claimed properties" to anything, it can exist without scientific proof?

What "claimed properties" would allow faeries to exist?

Are you familiar with the assumptions of science?

One claimed property of God which makes Him unable to be investigated by science is that He is Omniscient. If you gave faeries that property (or some reasonable approximation there of), they would be unprovably scientifically.

Additionally, due to the 'sufficiently advanced science appears as magic' and 'scientifically proving everything is impossible' means that even if God said 'here I am, probe me' we would still be left without scientific proof that He was God.

JM

[rah]

We have no proof that there isn't a god and you have no proof that there is a god. I kind of hope you're right, but I'm not holding my breath.
God exists to you because you believe. More power to you. But when people say god is the answer to everything, I think they're pushing it.
Now if they said, if you have faith in everything working out and leave god out of it, I don't have the same problem with it. Faith in something has proven to be a powerful thing.
But it's the FAITH and not the 'in something' that is the important thing.

[notyoueither]

Great. Now we have 'moderators' jacking threads.