Falkland Islanders to hold referendum over sovereignty

[kentonio]

Deaths on 9/11 = 2,996

Deaths at Canary Wharf = 2

It's pretty obvious which group was primarily out to kill and which group was primarily out to make political statements.

You should definitely go **** yourself. All those post 9/11 horror scenarios about how Al Queda might get smart and start bombing heartland America or attacking your government? That **** happened in Britain for decades. I grew up in a time when those murderous ****s were blowing up shopping centres and pubs in UK cities, and where there was a high chance that each days news report would include a shooting or bombing or kneecapping or kidnapping etc etc. Oh and then we got to hear about how the lovely Americans in Boston and elsewhere were helping fund it.

So seriously, go **** yourself.

[molly bloom]

Well after that incredibly fair comparison, here's some more political statements, from just part of 1984 :

CAIN Web Service

02 January 1984 Robert Elliott (25) Protestant
Status: Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Off duty. Shot outside his home, Lislaird Road, Castlederg, County Tyrone.

10 January 1984 William Fullerton (48) Protestant
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Off duty. Shot by sniper while driving his car along Warrenpoint Road, Newry, County Down.

20 January 1984 Colin Houston (30) Protestant
Status: Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR), Killed by: Irish National Liberation Army (INLA)
Off duty. Shot at his home, Sunnymede Avenue, Dunmurry, near Belfast, County Antrim.

27 January 1984 Daniel McIntyre (28) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF)
Shot from passing car while walking along Manor Drive, Lurgan, County Armagh.

30 January 1984 Mark Marron (23) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Shot while travelling in stolen car, Springfield Road, Belfast.

31 January 1984 William Savage (27) Protestant
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in land mine attack on Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) armoured patrol car, Drumintee Road, near Forkhill, County Armagh.

31 January 1984 Thomas Bingham (29) Protestant
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in land mine attack on Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) armoured patrol car, Drumintee Road, near Forkhill, County Armagh

13 February 1984 James Young (41) Catholic
Status: Irish Republican Army (IRA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Found shot, Blaney Road, near Crossmaglen, County Armagh. Alleged informer.

21 February 1984 Paul Oram (26) nfNI
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in gun battle between undercover British Army (BA) members and Irish Republican Army (IRA) members, Dunloy, near Ballymoney, County Antrim.

21 February 1984 Declan Martin (18) Catholic
Status: Irish Republican Army (IRA), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Killed in gun battle between undercover British Army (BA) members and Irish Republican Army (IRA) members, Dunloy, near Ballymoney, County Antrim.

21 February 1984 Henry Hogan (21) Catholic
Status: Irish Republican Army (IRA), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Killed in gun battle between undercover British Army (BA) members and Irish Republican Army (IRA) members, Dunloy, near Ballymoney, County Antrim.

02 March 1984 Thomas Loughlin (40) Protestant
Status: Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Off duty. Killed by booby trap bomb, attached to his van, outside his home, Castlederg, County Tyrone.

03 March 1984 Herbert Burrows (37) Protestant
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed by booby trap bomb attached to garage door, at his workplace, Alexander Road, Armagh.

06 March 1984 William McConnell (35) Protestant
Status: Prison Officer (PO), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Off duty. Shot outside his home, Hawthornden Drive, Belmont, Belfast.

08 March 1984 David Montgomery (24) Protestant
Status: Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Off duty. Shot at his workplace, a petrol station, Airport Road, near Moira, County Down.

13 March 1984 Ronald Funston (28) Protestant
Status: ex-Ulster Defence Regiment (xUDR), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Shot at his farm, Lowery, near Pettigoe, County Fermanagh.

27 March 1984 David Ross (31) nfNI
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed by remote controlled bomb, hidden in parked van, detonated when British Army (BA) civilian-type mini bus passed, near Gransha Hospital, Clooney Road, Derry.

08 April 1984 Mary Travers (22) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Shot during gun attack on her Resident Magistrate father, Thomas Travers, shortly after leaving St Brigid's Roman Catholic Church, while walking along Windsor Avenue, Malone, Belfast.

12 April 1984 Margaret Whyte (51) Catholic
Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: non-specific Loyalist group (LOY)
Killed by time bomb left on the windowsill of her home, University Street, Belfast.

http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/1984.html

The longer index is here: http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/chron/index.html


I prefer my politics limited to public debates or broadsheets, interviews and the like, but I can see how some might prefer this method:

Former members of the Provisional IRA have claimed that the soldier's body was disposed of at a local meat processing plant. It is believed the officer's remains were disposed of to hide the terrible injuries he suffered before he was killed.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/11/robert-nairac-murder-charge

I can see that method becoming quite popular in the U.S. .

[Tupac Shakur]

Deaths on 9/11 = 2,996

Deaths at Canary Wharf = 2

It's pretty obvious which group was primarily out to kill and which group was primarily out to make political statements.

[molly bloom]

Really? It doesn't surprise me (that an Irish guy would be a wanted terrorist, that he would flee to America, or he'd end up serving drinks and a crappy college age establishment) too much but I would think a wanted terrorist would be extradited to the UK.

Except some judges and American politicians especially those reliant on Irish Catholic votes) had a tendency to view the I.R.A. as 'political' cases, thus making extradition somewhat more difficult. Of course all that's quite different now that more 'terrorists' are brown skinned and have suspiciously Arab sounding names....

[MichaeltheGreat]

Yep, he was a bombmaker, so no sympathy.

[Dinner]

Oh, well. You play with fire and you get burned. Tough luck for him.

[MichaeltheGreat]

They did when he got caught. He was here under an alias with forged ID and had pretty well established himself here. Apparently, from what I remember of the news about it, he'd more or less gone straight - not active with PIRA, not fundraising or promoting. He worked the overstayed student angle and got under the table work tending bar. It was pretty much blind luck he was caught - someone recognized him and reported, and the feds got him.

[Dinner]

Naah, there was actually a guy working at an Irish bar in the Pacific Beach area of San Diego back in the 90s who was a wanted IRA (PIRA, IIRC) member.

Really? It doesn't surprise me (that an Irish guy would be a wanted terrorist, that he would flee to America, or he'd end up serving drinks and a crappy college age establishment) too much but I would think a wanted terrorist would be extradited to the UK.

[Alexander's Horse]

the new pope seems to be interested in helping the poorest of the poor, which in this situation would be the sheep

[MichaeltheGreat]

Only stupid ones in Boston, although I repeat myself

Naah, there was actually a guy working at an Irish bar in the Pacific Beach area of San Diego back in the 90s who was a wanted IRA (PIRA, IIRC) member.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Why shouldn't he intervene? The British are clearly in violation of a papal bull.

I guess he could excommunicate them.

[MichaeltheGreat]

We're no better than the British, which makes us pretty ****ty.

Well, you are at least, since you're running your mouth like a bidet for 500 years of Spanish Catholic atrocities.

[MichaeltheGreat]

So you've finally admitted that your responses in this thread have been unserious. We all knew that already, of course, but it's good to have it confirmed.

There are degrees of seriousness and unseriousness. None have any correlation to degree of accuracy. I can't be arsed to dig through vast amounts of academic material for some trailer-dwelling, Bud-swilling tool who trolls on an internet forum using a half-assed dead rapper's stage name. So you rate that degree of unseriousness.

[Hauldren Collider]

This is true, pre-9/11 many Americans had no problems at all with funding terrorists who spent US dollars on the explosives to blow the limbs off children.

Only stupid ones in Boston, although I repeat myself

[Tupac Shakur]

We're no better than the British, which makes us pretty ****ty.