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  • #16
    Originally posted by MikeH View Post
    Start with the fact that rape conviction rates are tiny.
    My first thought was... WTF? I've heard that actual convictions rates for rape in the US are as high as 58%. I've see much lower figures, but nothing I would consider tiny.

    But then I found this chart... yes, it is old, but now I know where you are coming from.

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    • #17
      That chart shows the conviction percentage against the male population, not against those charged.
      It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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      • #18
        I sincerely doubt that 1 in 4000 men were convicted of rape in 1992.
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        • #19
          The conviction rate of those that go to trial in the UK is 58%.

          BUT only 6.5% of rapes that are reported result in convictions.

          And the Government estimates that 95% go unreported.
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          • #20
            Which is a 0.325% overall conviction rate. Pretty tiny...
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            • #21
              Originally posted by MikeH View Post
              The conviction rate of those that go to trial in the UK is 58%.

              BUT only 6.5% of rapes that are reported result in convictions.

              And the Government estimates that 95% go unreported.
              Those numbers sound consistent with the US
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              • #22
                So if it goes to trial, you are more likely to get convicted but they only take to trial slam dunks, and even then only 3 in 5 get convictions.
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                • #23
                  That doesn't mean the convictions are all of actual rapes.

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                  • #24
                    I was always under the impression that the woman's word was virtually sufficient for a conviction unless you're Kobe Bryant. Jurors take alleged female victims at their word.

                    If that is not true it's a common myth. I saw this story on another board and that idea was repeated.
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                    • #25
                      And if someone says it on the internet, it's true.
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                      • #26
                        The internet AND several regions of Philadelphia. That makes it a global myth, provided it's also believed by the UN.
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                        • #27
                          Let's put it this way, Albie.

                          Imagine you are a juror. In order to find him guilty, you must be satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that the accused committed rape. Is the mere word of the woman enough to do that for you?
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View Post
                            Let's put it this way, Albie.

                            Imagine you are a juror. In order to find him guilty, you must be satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that the accused committed rape. Is the mere word of the woman enough to do that for you?
                            I'm not most people.


                            And what about alleged sexual abuse of minors? Kids wield ridiculous power if they accuse adults of sexual abuse.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                              I'm not most people.


                              And what about alleged sexual abuse of minors? Kids wield ridiculous power if they accuse adults of sexual abuse.
                              Do you have any statistics to back that up? Last I heard (not that I look into statistics either, but you're the one making the claim), the problem with kiddy-fiddling wasn't the conviction, it's that just the mere accusation will hang around your neck forever. Also kids are highly suggestible, and tend to come up with stories to fit the shrink's questions (aided by the remarkably unreliable human memory).
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                              • #30
                                If people will trust what other people wrote 2000 years ago, I don't see why they shouldn't also assume a child is remembering events correctly.

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