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  • #76
    Originally posted by rah View Post
    I think that was pretty clear in the article.


    He's still grappling
    He's gotten some new holds.

    Romney defends Bain record as ‘pretty solid,’ says Obama 'attacking capitalism'
    By Justin Sink - 05/24/12 09:58 AM ET

    Mitt Romney accused President Obama of "attacking capitalism" and defended the record of Bain Capital as "solid" in a rebuttal Thursday to the president's critique of his tenure at the private-equity firm.

    Romney argued that Bain had an overall record of economic success and was an example of American capitalism at work.


    "With regards to Bain Capital, they just put a report out about their record, the Bain Capital guys did, they noted they've made about 350 investments since the beginning of the firm, and of those investments, about 80 percent grew their revenues. So I'm pretty confident that the overall record of the enterprise I helped begin is pretty solid," Romney, the presumptive GOP presidential nominee, told Fox News.

    In his comments, Romney was responding to three central criticisms advanced by the Obama campaign this week: that Romney's venture capital firm had exploited companies for the economic gain of executives, that Romney was advocating failed Bush-era economic policies and that Romney had equated productivity with personal income to suggest Americans weren't working hard enough.





    "There's no question but that he's attacking capitalism, in part, I think, because he doesn't understand how the free economy works. He's never had a job in the free economy; neither has Vice President Biden," Romney said.

    The Obama campaign has released two ads focused on companies that failed, shed jobs our went out of business after being purchased by Bain. Obama has personally said Romney has not drawn the lessons from his background in private equity that voters should want in a president.

    At a campaign event Wednesday, he said Romney's working assumption is that if "CEOs and wealthy investors like him get rich, then the rest of us automatically will, too."

    "What Gov. Romney doesn't seem to get is that a healthy economy doesn't just mean a few folks maximizing their profits through massive layoffs or busting unions," Obama said at the event, in Colorado. "You don't make America stronger by shipping jobs and profits overseas. When you propose cutting taxes while raising them on 18 million working families, that's not a recipe for broad-based economic growth."

    Romney defended his economic proposals during his television appearance Thursday, saying his plans to repeal the president's signature healthcare reform package, revamp the country's energy strategy and reduce the deficit all qualified as fresh ideas that broke the mold of former President George W. Bush.

    "It's actually kind of funny listening to him. I just described three things I'd do — they have nothing to do with what's [been] done in the past," Romney said. "These are new problems we have that have been created by President Obama; they need new solutions if we're going to get this economy going again."

    Romney also responded to the president's critique of his handling of an Iowa woman who asked about keeping good jobs in the state after her employer moved five hours away. As part of his answer, Romney discussed the concept of productivity, and at one point argued "our productivity equals our income" as part of a larger discussion about the benefit of free market competition. The president has seized on this remark during campaign speeches to insinuate Romney is out of touch.

    "When a woman in Iowa shared the story of her financial struggles, he gave an answer right out of an economics textbook. He said, ‘Our productivity equals our income,’ as if the only reason people can’t pay their bills is because they’re not productive enough. Well, that’s not what’s going on. Most of us who have spent some time talking to people understand that the problem isn’t that the American people aren’t working hard enough, aren’t productive enough — you’ve been working harder than ever," Obama said earlier this month while campaigning in Seattle.

    Romney responded to that critique by saying he was "amazed” that the president “doesn't know what productivity means."

    "I'm afraid he doesn't understand what the word ‘productivity’ means. Gosh, this is quite a revelation if you have the president of the United States that doesn't understand that productivity is a measure of output per person in the nation as a whole, and is driven by such things as the level of automation in a society, the extent to which the government encourages output and production, it's not just a measure of how hard people are working. As a matter of fact, the American people are harder-working than people in France, in Europe, even in Germany," Romney said.

    Romney was interviewed from Philadelphia, where later Thursday morning he will tour one of the city's charter schools. On Wednesday, Romney outlined his education plan, with an emphasis on vouchers and charter schools, during a speech in Washington, D.C.



    This story was posted at 8:51 a.m. and updated at 9:58 a.m.
    What was Mr. Fun saying about Romney and Bain?
    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Straybow View Post
      Because he still hasn't quite taken the training wheels off the conservative bicycle he wants to pedal to the white house. I mean, he's all for making money while the sun shines, but you don't have to be conservative to do that.
      Yeah, the etch-a-sketch won't shake itself.
      “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
      "Capitalism ho!"

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      • #78
        Of course, if we look at Romney's record, it's only fair we look at Obama's...

        Marc A. Thiessen
        Opinion Writer Forget Bain — Obama’s public-equity record is the real scandal

        By Marc A. Thiessen, Published: May 24The Washington Post Despite a growing backlash from his fellow Democrats, President Obama has doubled down on his attacks on Mitt Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital. But the strategy could backfire in ways Obama did not anticipate. After all, if Romney’s record in private equity is fair game, then so is Obama’s record in public equity — and that record is not pretty.

        Since taking office, Obama has invested billions of taxpayer dollars in private businesses, including as part of his stimulus spending bill. Many of those investments have turned out to be unmitigated disasters — leaving in their wake bankruptcies, layoffs, criminal investigations and taxpayers on the hook for billions. Consider just a few examples of Obama’s public equity failures:

        .● Raser Technologies. In 2010, the Obama administration gave Raser a $33 million taxpayer-funded grant to build a power plant in Beaver Creek, Utah. According to the Wall Street Journal, after burning through our tax dollars, the company filed for bankruptcy protection in 2012. The plant now has fewer than 10 employees, and Raser owes $1.5 million in back taxes.

        ● ECOtality. The Obama administration gave ECOtality $126.2 million in taxpayer money in 2009 for, among other things, the installation of 14,000 electric car chargers in five states. Obama even hosted the company’s president, Don Karner, in the first lady’s box during the 2010 State of the Union address as an example of a stimulus success story. According to ECOtality’s own SEC filings, the company has since incurred more than $45 million in losses and has told the federal government, “We may not achieve or sustain profitability on a quarterly or annual basis in the future.”

        Worse, according to CBS News the company is “under investigation for insider trading,” and Karner has been subpoenaed “for any and all documentation surrounding the public announcement of the first Department of Energy grant to the company.”

        ● Nevada Geothermal Power (NGP). The Obama administration gave NGP a $98.5 million taxpayer loan guarantee in 2010. The New York Times reported last October that the company is in “financial turmoil” and that “[a]fter a series of technical missteps that are draining Nevada Geothermal’s cash reserves, its own auditor concluded in a filing released last week that there was ‘significant doubt about the company’s ability to continue as a going concern.’ ”

        ● First Solar. The Obama administration provided First Solar with more than $3 billion in loan guarantees for power plants in Arizona and California. According to a Bloomberg Businessweek report last week, the company “fell to a record low in Nasdaq Stock Market trading May 4 after reporting $401 million in restructuring costs tied to firing 30 percent of its workforce.”

        ● Abound Solar, Inc. The Obama administration gave Abound Solar a $400 million loan guarantee to build photovoltaic panel factories. According to Forbes, in February the company halted production and laid off 180 employees.

        ● Beacon Power. The Obama administration gave Beacon — a green-energy storage company — a $43 million loan guarantee. According to CBS News, at the time of the loan, “Standard and Poor’s had confidentially given the project a dismal outlook of ‘CCC-plus.’ ” In the fall of 2011, Beacon received a delisting notice from Nasdaq and filed for bankruptcy.

        This is just the tip of the iceberg. A company called SunPower got a $1.2 billion loan guarantee from the Obama administration, and as of January, the company owed more than it was worth. Brightsource got a $1.6 billion loan guarantee and posted a string of net losses totaling $177 million. And, of course, let’s not forget Solyndra — the solar panel manufacturer that received $535 million in taxpayer-funded loan guarantees and went bankrupt, leaving taxpayers on the hook.

        Amazingly, Obama has declared that all the projects received funding “based solely on their merits.” But as Hoover Institution scholar Peter Schweizer reported in his book, “Throw Them All Out,” fully 71 percent of the Obama Energy Department’s grants and loans went to “individuals who were bundlers, members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, or large donors to the Democratic Party.” Collectively, these Obama cronies raised $457,834 for his campaign, and they were in turn approved for grants or loans of nearly $11.35 billion. Obama said this week it’s not the president’s job “to make a lot of money for investors.” Well, he sure seems to have made a lot of (taxpayer) money for investors in his political machine.

        All that cronyism and corruption is catching up with the administration. According to Politico, “The Energy Department’s inspector general has launched more than 100 criminal investigations” related to the department’s green-energy programs.

        Now the man who made Solyndra a household name says Mitt Romney’s record at Bain Capital “is what this campaign is going to be about.” Good luck with that, Mr. President. If Obama wants to attack Romney’s alleged private equity failures as chief executive of Bain, he’d better be ready to defend his own massive public equity failures as chief executive of the United States.
        No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
          Btw, properly measured the people who were the top 0.1% or maybe even 1% in income in 2007 should have had negative income in 2008.
          1) You only pay the capital tax when you actually sell
          2) Capital losses are counted against taxes in Canada, I would be surprised if they weren't in the US
          In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
            Of course, if we look at Romney's record, it's only fair we look at Obama's...



            http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...CnU_story.html
            This is an epic takedown.

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            • #81
              Of capitalism?
              “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
              "Capitalism ho!"

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              • #82
                I saw it was an opinion piece and decided it wasn't worth bothering to read. I prefer facts to spin and lies from paid political operatives.
                Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                  I saw it was an opinion piece and decided it wasn't worth bothering to read. I prefer facts to spin and lies from paid political operatives.
                  I read your nonsense, why don't you read mine?
                  No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                    I saw it was an opinion piece and decided it wasn't worth bothering to read. I prefer facts to spin and lies from paid political operatives.
                    I think that it makes a good point about how separate businesses are from government. The government can loan a business money, but in the end it's the actions of the business that decide whether it will decide whether it thrives or not. To do otherwise, would require a dramatic shift to the left, which I don't see the public tolerating. Romney's claim that he will run government like a businessman either demonstrates a naivete concerning the role of the president or is a harbinger of a true socialist agenda.
                    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                    "Capitalism ho!"

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                    • #85
                      He'll run it like his business and fire lots of federal employees, I guess.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                        He'll run it like his business and fire lots of federal employees, I guess.
                        Would that be bad?
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                          He'll run it like his business and fire lots of federal employees, I guess.
                          I don't have high hopes, but if we're lucky he'll do that.
                          Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

                          When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

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                          • #88
                            The federal government employs less people now than it did in the 60's. Yes, clearly what's wrong with America is too many federal employees.

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                            • #89
                              Notice that the only drop was in the military. Are you saying we need more soldiers?

                              In any event, more government work is being done by contractors now which I imagine this chart doesn't cover.
                              Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

                              When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

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                              • #90
                                It is interesting to see that the number of Uniformed military personnel remained remarkably stable during the Bush years and in 09 and 10 the military grew the most since Vietnam.

                                Executive branch employment rose rapidly under Johnson, held steady through the 70's, grew in the 80's, fell in the 90's, held steady in the '00's, and started to rise again under Obama.
                                Last edited by OzzyKP; May 27, 2012, 14:08.
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