If it's wine, does it count?

[Elok]

You too So you've got two kids? Or are there more? It's just the one for us...so far.

[DaShi]

I thought depression was the national sport of Finland.

That's because they don't appreciate how good they have it.

[Pekka]

Elok, yup, two. So at this moment it's kind of tough, but I suspect in few months it'll get a bit easier. Easier as in one person can handle both of them, now it's very difficult. Of course it'll be difficult then too, but now for example since I can't breast feed, I can't take them both and let mom go anywhere for, say 4 hours. Few more months and we can use bottles and stuff for exceptions, so she'll get more time off every now and then and that means I get time off as well.

They're both under 2 years old so they require tons of work. I don't expect any less work in the coming years, I expect more noise, more speed, more everything. But at least they talk and understand what we say better, even if they would refuse to obey. Communication like "are you hurt? Where are you hurting? Stomach? Or are you hungry?" Stuff like that gets easier.

But in reality, I'm very happy that we have two kids and I would not do anything differently. It's just chronic state of being tired.

[Elok]

I know what you mean. Ours is fortunately a pretty mellow, jolly guy, but it's infuriating when he's screaming and you have to run down the checklist to figure it out. And you can't run down too fast, because some things take time to work, or too slow, because if you take too long he'll switch to being angry just because he's been angry so long. And then you're screwed. Still, it is an incredible high to get him laughing. He likes dancing and having his ribs kissed--we figure he's ticklish.

[MikeH]

We're up to a year now, in a couple of months a lot of that stuff really will magically improve and you start to get more and more feedback.

Once they can start talking, and moving around it really is great.

[MikeH]

Cue all parents of kids over 1 saying, "You won't be saying that for long!!"

[Dr Strangelove]

As a bone fide health care professional it is my regrettable duty to inform you that yes, wine does count.

[MikeH]

I've never met a bone fide health care professional that didn't enjoy drinking to excess.

[Jon Miller]

The question isn't one of enjoyment.

(Although I do know people who don't enjoy drinking)

JM

[Jon Miller]

Although with my moderation, my notion of excess has changed.

Before, excess was the point where I would stumble and have to drink lots of water to keep from being sick. And sometimes I would be sick or hungover.

Now, excess is around the point where the police would not like me driving. So over one-two belgium beers (~10%) or glasses of wine.

I never get as ridiculous as I was before, and I only get drunk enough to worry about hangovers/being sick a couple of times a year.

My body and brain thanks me, I am sure.

JM

[Dr Strangelove]

I've never met a bone fide health care professional that didn't enjoy drinking to excess.

Actually according to a recent survey I read some 70% of doctors are tea totalers, another 25% drink no more than the equivalent of 2 beer/week.

[Jon Miller]

I personally find 2/week to be about right, although I admit that I like my food and beverages and would enjoy 2/night. But I would enjoy dessert every night too....

JM

[MikeH]

Actually according to a recent survey I read some 70% of doctors are tea totalers, another 25% drink no more than the equivalent of 2 beer/week.

British doctors?

[Pekka]

I know what you mean. Ours is fortunately a pretty mellow, jolly guy, but it's infuriating when he's screaming and you have to run down the checklist to figure it out. And you can't run down too fast, because some things take time to work, or too slow, because if you take too long he'll switch to being angry just because he's been angry so long. And then you're screwed. Still, it is an incredible high to get him laughing. He likes dancing and having his ribs kissed--we figure he's ticklish.

Yes. For some period of time it's cute but at some point your ears and head starts to hurt. And then you get kind of angry and them immediately ashamed, what can the little guy do... babies cry. They might be hurting, hungry, cold, hot, poop in pants... that's the way they communicate. But it does wear on you after a while. Then again it won't last for too long.

Neither of my kids are very ticklish. Weird. Maybe I'm doing it wrong.

[Dinner]

Actually according to a recent survey I read some 70% of doctors are tea totalers, another 25% drink no more than the equivalent of 2 beer/week.

That makes sense. First doctors know how bad alcoholism is for the body so it's natural they'll want to avoid it plus from a pure income stand point no one wants hire an alcoholic doctor so employment and earnings self interest kind of lead them down the tea totaler path.