President Obama Announces Support for Gay Marriage

[Hauldren Collider]

Not so brave as you might think. Recent polling shows gay marriage is supported by a small majority of Americans, and a significant majority of Independents. It is a very savvy move, putting Romney on the spot and giving Obama an advantage with the political center.

If it was a savvy move, Obama would have done it sooner. This clearly forced his hand. It may have been a move he planned anyway, but at the very least it disrupted his timing.

[giblets]

I know it was the joke. Just trying to establish to kentonio that I don't hold it against dick cheney that he has a twitchy trigger finger.

The sad thing is that the guy apologized for getting shot in the face.

[Hauldren Collider]

The sad thing is that the guy apologized for getting shot in the face.

Dick Cheney apologized for shooting him in the face, and the guy said he was sorry that it resulted in bad publicity for Cheney and said he still hoped Cheney would go hunting with him.

[Al B. Sure!]

Are you asking me about superintelligent AI, or suggesting I run society? If the former, I suggest turning to Lori, or to Loin if Lori gets an obvious boner from discussing it. If the latter, there's no way I'm desperate enough to take THAT job.

oops. I meant Lori but wrote Elok.

[Tupac Shakur]

Not so brave as you might think. Recent polling shows gay marriage is supported by a small majority of Americans, and a significant majority of Independents. It is a very savvy move, putting Romney on the spot and giving Obama an advantage with the political center.

It wasn't savvy, dude; Biden and the resulting press/donor criticism of Obama's ridiculous "evolving views" forced his hand. It may end up being a net positive politically, but that's certainly not clear and this wasn't a proactive announcement on the President's part to put Romney on the spot.

[Guynemer]

So he's a liar? Thanks.

Jesus ****ing Christ, Al.

Really?

He's a ****ing politician, of course he's a liar.

Pro-tip: they all lie. Every. ****ing. One.

Second pro-tip: EVERYONE LIES. You, me, your mom, the Pope, everyone.

[Tupac Shakur]

I'm going to pretend I have HC on ignore so I can claim that I didn't see his post scooping my prior argument, rather than admit that I spent too much time fiddling with my wording and consequently posted something with no value-added.

[Guynemer]

It wasn't savvy, dude; Biden and the resulting press/donor criticism of Obama's ridiculous "evolving views" forced his hand. It may end up being a net positive politically, but that's certainly not clear and this wasn't a proactive announcement on the President's part to put Romney on the spot.

Meh. I'm not convinced Biden had that much to do with it. Polling in favor of gay marriage just tipped over the 50% mark in the past few months; now that it has public support, and he has a clear-cut opponent, it seems like as good a time as any to state his true position.

[Al B. Sure!]

Has anyone ever changed vice presidents midstream like that? It seems pointless to me; Cheney's the only veep I know of whose job wasn't basically to wait until eight years were over and/or somebody killed the president.

FDR had 3 different VP's. I don't know the history on why he went through them, though.

[Tupac Shakur]

Meh. I'm not convinced Biden had that much to do with it.

It seems to be the consensus view amongst the political commentariat. For example...

President Obama endorsed same-sex marriage Wednesday, capping days of frenzied speculation about his views and intensifying pressure from gay campaign donors that began with surprising comments on the issue over the weekend by Vice President Biden.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2012/05/09/gIQAivsWDU_story.html

[giblets]

FDR had 3 different VP's. I don't know the history on why he went through them, though.

The first one hated the New Deal and had claimed during the 1932 campaign that Hoover's programs were taking the country toward socialism and he was upset with FDR's court-packing scheme. The second one was a Communist sympathizer.

edit: I meant 1932, not 1928

[regexcellent]

I think the reason Obama's been hesitant to announce support for gay marriage is that black voters are overwhelmingly against it.

[Lorizael]

Are you asking me about superintelligent AI, or suggesting I run society? If the former, I suggest turning to Lori, or to Loin if Lori gets an obvious boner from discussing it. If the latter, there's no way I'm desperate enough to take THAT job.

My dick is not quite so in the clouds as the rest of me.

[Al B. Sure!]

I think the reason Obama's been hesitant to announce support for gay marriage is that black voters are overwhelmingly against it.

Won't matter. Obama's got that.

Hell, Obama giving gay marriage legitimacy might even change the minds of a lot of Blacks on this issue. Obama probably trumps religious upbringing. He's the messiah to liberals, you know.

[Guynemer]

Won't matter. Obama's got that.

Hell, Obama giving gay marriage legitimacy might even change the minds of a lot of Blacks on this issue. Obama probably trumps religious upbringing.

Nothing to argue with here. To think this will cost Obama the AA vote is lunacy.