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  • #16
    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    AMD lacks processor technology because it lacks the funds to hire good people.
    Intel's R&D budget is much larger than AMD's. This said, I would be surprised if the difference between them was the engineers' salaries, rather than the infrastructure provided to them.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Oncle Boris View Post
      Is ARM and x86 expertise completely hermetic?
      They are very different beasts in many ways. Intel tried to make ARM chips back in the day, but they were awful.

      Couldn't they increase the performance by implementing it in an arcane/proprietary manner?
      Similarly, I was thinking that they could implement OS X specific instruction sets in CPUs...
      Neither of these would grant performance increases.

      Yes. They happen to have $100b... I have a hard time believing that transistors are not a good investment for the future. Or have we reached the point where Intel is a natural monopoly (possible, I don't know)?
      Intel isn't even close to a monopoly. And "transistors" are a "good investment", but the way forward is not always clear. You need the brightest minds, a lot of time, and huge budget to ascertain long-term direction.
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      • #18
        Intel would cease being market leader the moment someone came out with something cleverer than what they have, which is what happened when AMD got all those Alpha engineers. Furthermore, Intel has tons of competition--AMD's chips, SPARC, PowerPC, and ARM just to name a few.

        Also Boris, it's painfully clear you know next to nothing about this stuff.
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        • #19
          Intel's processes are improving so fast that x86 will be better power-wise than ARM. At which point, you could call them a natural monopoly in the consumer-level chip markets.
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          • #20


            Just stick to filosophy. I don't think you even know what a natural monopoly is.

            Originally posted by Oncle Boris View Post
            Intel's processes are improving so fast that x86 will be better power-wise than ARM.
            False.
            At which point, you could call them a natural monopoly in the consumer-level chip markets.
            Very very false.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
              Intel would cease being market leader the moment someone came out with something cleverer than what they have, which is what happened when AMD got all those Alpha engineers. Furthermore, Intel has tons of competition--AMD's chips, SPARC, PowerPC, and ARM just to name a few.

              Also Boris, it's painfully clear you know next to nothing about this stuff.
              AMD is close to bankrupt, and from what I've read it won't be long before Intel x86 chips will surpass ARM on power consumption through brute force alone.
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              • #22
                1. AMD is not Intel's only competitor. Not by a long shot.
                2. You are hearing wrong with respect to ARM and power consumption. Also, consider your use of the term "brute force". I can't think of a less apt analogy.
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                • #23

                  Just stick to filosophy. I don't think you even know what a natural monopoly is.


                  Yes I do. What's your point?
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    2. You are hearing wrong with respect to ARM and power consumption. Also, consider your use of the term "brute force". I can't think of a less apt analogy.
                    I meant die shrinks. Why is it wrong?
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Oncle Boris View Post
                      I meant die shrinks. Why is it wrong?
                      x86 has a lot of overhead ARM doesn't have. Intel's process advantage may make them marginally competitive, but they'll always be handicapped.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Asher View Post
                        x86 has a lot of overhead ARM doesn't have. Intel's process advantage may make them marginally competitive, but they'll always be handicapped.
                        I get the point that the process advantage might never be enough, I was asking HC why it was wrong to compare a two-generation process lead to "brute force".
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                        • #27
                          And HC: what is the probability of seeing SPARC or PPC in the smartphone to desktop range in the next 10 years?
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