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  • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    Is it false?

    Understand that nobility is actually a legal distinction. Being upper class is just being richer than other people.
    HC, I'm seriously considering PM'ing Kuci and ask him to give you a good beating, though, when he reads this he will do it automatically
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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    • I seriously doubt that, since I am actually correct about the definitions of those words.
      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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      • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
        Is it false?
        To be fair, historians centuries from now would probably describe the American Republic as a plutocracy.
        "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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        • Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
          HC, I'm seriously considering PM'ing Kuci and ask him to give you a good beating, though, when he reads this he will do it automatically
          Yes, he deserves a beating for making a true statement that you can't refute.

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          • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
            de·moc·ra·cy
               [dih-mok-ruh-see]
            noun, plural de·moc·ra·cies.
            1. government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.
            2. a state having such a form of government: The United States and Canada are democracies.
            3. a state of society characterized by formal equality of rights and privileges.
            4. political or social equality; democratic spirit.
            5. the common people of a community as distinguished from any privileged class; the common people with respect to their political power.
            http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/democracy
            You're an idiot. Truly.

            The technical description for the form of government we have is a Constitutional Republic and you know this full well. It's middle school civics.
            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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            • Nobility = upper class + titles. In the case where titles are meaningless, nobility = upper class.

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              • Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                You're an idiot. Truly.

                The technical description for the form of government we have is a Constitutional Republic.
                No, you are an idiot for thinking anything that doesn't resemble ancient Athens isn't a "democracy". I never claimed the US isn't a "constitutional republic". (Don't capitalize it unless you want to look stupid.)

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                • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                  No, you are an idiot for thinking anything that doesn't resemble ancient Athens isn't a "democracy".
                  We are a Constitutional Republic!!!!

                  Holy crap stop arguing for the sake of arguing. Your defense of wealth earlier is proof you do it because I know you're a freaking liberal.
                  "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                  "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                  • This is exactly like arguing whether the Soviet Union was communist or socialist. If you aren't Che, the answer is communist. In this case, if you aren't Alby, the US is a democracy.
                    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                    • Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                      We are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC!!!!

                      Holy crap stop arguing for the sake of arguing. Your defense of wealth earlier is proof you do it because I know you're a freaking liberal.
                      Imagine a Venn diagram with one circle for "democracy" and another for "republic". I know this is getting a little abstract but I think you can handle it. The US is inside both circles.

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                      • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                        Yes, he deserves a beating for making a true statement that you can't refute.
                        Bet that HC always deserves a beating. Though, I'm still rigth because an american upper class billionarie are similiar to a Lord or whatever the title would be. The only difference is that a yank isn't sired by a king.

                        The problem is that yank "nobility" can manipulate american democracy just as they want.
                        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                        Steven Weinberg

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                        • Well, Jon Miller explained it better
                          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                          Steven Weinberg

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                          • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                            This is exactly like arguing whether the Soviet Union was communist or socialist. If you aren't Che, the answer is communist. In this case, if you aren't Alby, the US is a democracy.
                            Hey the USSR was a democracy and republic, too! So is China!

                            Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                            Imagine a Venn diagram with one circle for "democracy" and another for "republic". I know this is getting a little abstract but I think you can handle it. The US is inside both circles.
                            Nope unless you expand the definition of democracy. A democracy doesn't have to be direct; it can be representative. The key point is that it is purely majoritarian. There's no check on the majority; no Supreme Court in a representative democracy.

                            We are a constitutional republic.

                            The term 'democracy' is never used once in the Constitution. Article IV, Section 4, however, reads "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government"

                            The Federalist Papers further demonstrate the attitude of our founding fathers.
                            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                            • Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                              Hey the USSR was a democracy and republic, too! So is China!



                              Nope unless you expand the definition of democracy. A democracy doesn't have to be direct; it can be representative. The key point is that it is purely majoritarian. There's no check on the majority; no Supreme Court in a representative democracy.

                              We are a constitutional republic.

                              The term 'democracy' is never used once in the Constitution. Article IV, Section 4, however, reads "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government"

                              The Federalist Papers further demonstrate the attitude of our founding fathers.

                              We are not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic.
                              You are truly stupid. It doesn't matter what the Supreme Court thinks if the public decides to amend the Constitution. The US wasn't a democracy when the founding fathers were alive because they set up a system where only rich white men could vote.

                              China might be a republic (I don't really care whether it is or isn't) but it obviously isn't a democracy.

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                              • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                                You are truly stupid. It doesn't matter what the Supreme Court thinks if the public decides to amend the Constitution. The US wasn't a democracy when the founding fathers were alive because they set up a system where only rich white men could vote.
                                Man, those were the days [/heraclitus]
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