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    Why do women execs earn less than men?
    Every so often a study comes along that shows women earn less than men in the same job. These studies always conclude that discrimination is the cause, when in reality there are a number of reasons for the disparity that have nothing to do with sexism in the workplace.

    It's actually the result of men and women making different choices. In other words, it is what it is: no corrective action -- affirmative or otherwise -- required. Last year a U.S. Department of Labor report concluded just that. So did Carrie Lukas, executive director of the Independent Women's Forum. And so did I. All independently, I may add.

    Well, here we go again.

    Yesterday, corporate governance consulting firm GMI Ratings released a study that showed 150 female chief financial officers made 16 percent less than 1,750 male CFOs at Russell 3000 companies. The research included total compensation -- salary, bonus, and stock awards -- that totaled an average of $1.54 million for the men and $1.32 million for the women.

    Of course, the researchers and others quoted in a Bloomberg story concluded that nefarious discrimination was the cause. "There is real discrimination, but nobody wants to deal with it," said Eleanor Bloxham of board advisory firm Value Alliance.

    Actually, that conclusion does not follow from the data. Having spent some time researching this topic and having been a senior executive at companies in the target range and a consultant for others, I can think of a number of factors that taken separately or together, are at least as likely to account for the disparity.

    Women and men may not negotiate the same way. At that level, compensation is a complex negotiation including salary, bonus, stock, benefits, and long-term compensation. It's dog eat dog and the outcome depends on how aggressive you're willing to be and how much risk you're willing to take to squeeze the company. In general, men are more aggressive than women.

    Men usually have longer executive careers. Even though the study accounted for tenure at the company, it did not account for tenure at the executive level. On average, men have been at it longer. Also, the number of successes and accomplishments under their belts due to career longevity influences compensation.

    Men jump companies more than women. The article mentioned that women may be more likely to move up within one company while men may be more likely to switch jobs. The latter typically leads to higher executive compensation, according to the article and in my experience. That was also not accounted for in the study.

    Men and women are not equally motivated by the same factors. It's well documented that women weigh non-compensation factors such as work flexibility, security, and benefits more heavily than men. That alone could account for a significant difference in compensation.

    Gender bias in job performance. Like it or not, the vast majority of CEOs, senior executives, and board directors -- those influencing the CFO hiring decision -- are men. So, to be fair to the subject, I have to admit that some men will likely have a gender bias or perception that men will be more aggressive in terms of job performance than women. And that will affect the offer.

    So yes, I do believe gender bias can be a factor, but I think it's one of many. Moreover, it's certainly not the only or most significant factor, as researchers and the media are usually quick to suggest.

    Is this man right? Well, I'm not sure because first he says that women earn less because of their choices but then he claims gender bias is a factor. So I'm not sure what he is arguing.

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    I'll tell you why -- because, in the unlikely event that we're both on the Titanic and it starts to sink, for some reason, you get to leave with the kids and I have to stay -- that's why I get the dollar more an hour. - Bill Burr

    ACK!
    Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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    • #3
      Female employees in the Obama White House make considerably less than their male colleagues, records show.

      According to the 2011 annual report on White House staff, female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000).

      Calculating the median salary for each gender required some assumptions to be made based on the employee names. When unclear, every effort was taken to determine the appropriate gender.

      The Obama campaign on Wednesday lashed out at presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney for his failure to immediately endorse the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act, a controversial law enacted in 2009 that made it easier to file discrimination lawsuits.

      President Obama has frequently criticized the gender pay gap, such as the one that exists in White House.

      “Paycheck discrimination hurts families who lose out on badly needed income,” he said in a July 2010 statement. “And with so many families depending on women’s wages, it hurts the American economy as a whole.”

      It is not known whether any female employees at the White House have filed lawsuits under the Ledbetter Act.

      The president and his Democratic allies have accused Republicans of waging a “war on women,” and have touted themselves as champions of female equality. Obama’s rhetoric, however, has not always been supported by his actions.


      Damn you Obama!

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      • #4
        We Don't Have a Gender Pay Gap: We Have a Motherhood Pay Gap
        Further evidence to bolster my long held and expressed contention that we don’t actually have a gender pay gap we have a motherhood pay gap. This latest piece of evidence is from a study about the impact of the contraceptive pill on that pay gap:

        Decades of research on the U.S. gender gap in wages describes its correlates, but little is known about why women changed their career paths in the 1960s and 1970s. This paper explores the role of “the Pill” in altering women’s human capital investments and its ultimate implications for life-cycle wages. Using state-by-birth-cohort variation in legal access to contraception, we show that younger access to the Pill conferred an 8-percent hourly wage premium by age fifty. Our estimates imply that the Pill can account for 10 percent of the convergence of the gender gap in the 1980s and 30 percent in the 1990s.

        Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to say that we’ve not in the past had a gender pay gap. It most certainly was true that there was direct discrimination against women in the workplace (for example, Ford’s $5 a day wages did not apply to women unless they were the sole earners in their family, a nice little historical point). There has also been very strong societal pressure: it’s really not all that long ago that married women were expected to leave the workforce upon their marriage (and to a rather large extent this still happens in Japan for example).

        And I’m certainly not on the quit yer whinin’ and get back in the kitchen wing of the Patriarchal Oppression Front.

        However, we are now in a place we’ve not been before. The statistics I know on the gender pay gap best are those for the UK but the US ones are not hugely different. In the UK female part time workers earn (all of these numbers are averages of course) more than male part time. Female workers under 30 earn more than men under that same age: this is credited to the higher educational qualifications of young women over young men.

        On that very point I think I’m right in saying that the US numbers show that the female higher wages stop at a slightly lower age than the UK numbers. Age at first marriage and age at first child is also slightly lower in the US than it is in the UK currently: the numbers do seem to be working in the same direction there.

        Back with the UK numbers: there are three further interesting points. The gender pay gap (around 9%) as generally calculated is of workers of all ages. And it is concentrated in those in their 50s and 60s, and age when we wouldn’t be at all surprised to find that women had faced direct, educational and societal discrimination at the beginnings of their careers. These changes do take time to work through society, as with that pig through the python.

        Secondly, we do see that we still have a societal divide. As and when childbirth comes along it does tend to be the women who take the years out of the workforce to raise the little darlings. Yes, being out of the workforce does tend to restrict promotions and pay rises: quite apart from the way that some significant portion of women start making different choices about the work life balance once they have children.

        Yes, of course, this isn’t true of all: but it is true of enough that average statistics are going to show lower female average earnings. I’m also not quite sure what is going to be done about this in a mammalian species like our own. Hands up everyone who thinks we’re ever going to get to a 50/50 house husband/housewife split?

        The final one is that never married no children women in their 40s (and thus presumably past childbearing age) actually have marginally higher wages than their male age cohort.

        All of which leads me to the original statement: we don’t actually have a gender pay gap, we have a motherhood pay gap. As that paper showing that delaying motherhood through the use of the pill reduced the pay gap is further evidence for.

        Of course, now the question is, well, given that we’ve identified what’s going on correctly what, if anything, are we going to do about it? Does in fact anything need to be done?

        One final point for consideration: as advertisers know very well, women might earn less than men on average but some 80% of consumer spending is determined by those very same women. Women who aren’t in families with children don’t seem to suffer a pay gap and those that are seem to have found another method of (more than) income equalisation.

        Is this a problem that needs solving?
        Further evidence to bolster my long held and expressed contention that we don't actually have a gender pay gap we have a motherhood pay gap. This latest piece of evidence is from a study about the impact of the contraceptive pill on that pay gap: Decades of research on [...]

        Are women earning less money because they stay home with their kids (or as Mitt Romney would put it they forgo the "dignity of work")? And what makes it so common for women to stay home rather than men if women are earning slightly more on average before they have kids?

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        • #5
          On the OP - he's saying that gender discrimination is merely one aspect among others rather than being the obvious culprit.

          Also question on "White House staff" - does that include the President & Cabinet members? If so, I think the President's salary itself would drive up the median.
          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by gribbler View Post
            We Don't Have a Gender Pay Gap: We Have a Motherhood Pay Gap

            Further evidence to bolster my long held and expressed contention that we don't actually have a gender pay gap we have a motherhood pay gap. This latest piece of evidence is from a study about the impact of the contraceptive pill on that pay gap: Decades of research on [...]

            Are women earning less money because they stay home with their kids (or as Mitt Romney would put it they forgo the "dignity of work")? And what makes it so common for women to stay home rather than men if women are earning slightly more on average before they have kids?
            Men can't give birth, so women have no option but to stay home. And most women are traditonally better at homekeeping.
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            • #7
              Where is Gepap?
              "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

              “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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