Suppression of voters' rights.

[Dinner]

Maybe we do need to ask for Russian observers.

JM

I'd actually be for that. Allow any and all observers bar none. All countries are welcome. The more the merrier. It might even boost local tourism rates and rent some hotel rooms.

[DinoDoc]

Man (posing as Holder): I’ll be back faster than you can say furious!

Yeah that was good.

[Felch]

I'm inclined to believe JM on this one since he's actually seen it.

I'm inclined to believe both of them.

[rah]

It used to be rampant in Chicago, but now they're more discrete about it. They do round up homeless people and offer to take them to the polls after telling them who to vote for. But that's legal. (unless they offer them cigarettes or booze, which they're way more discrete about these days since those incidents long ago in Wisconsin.)
It still happens but not as bad as the good ole days. Heck in the old days I'd vote at college and at home so I can kind of see why some states would want to tighten that up a bit. I don't think there was ever a college student that didn't have an id.

[SlowwHand]

The North is just a den of vipers, isn't it?

[BlackCat]

Some countries like India, Iraq and Pakistan let their voters press their thump on an ink pad - maybe that would work for you guys too

[DaShi]

I'm just going to go ahead and assume by "thump" you meant genitalia.

[BlackCat]

No, that wasn't what I meant - it should have been a b. Though, your suggestion could be an interesting improvement

[Dinner]

Jon, he didn't have to follow through to make his point. This is how the dead vote.

I get so tired of this "the dead vote" nonsense. Do you have an example of this happening in the last 30 years? 40 years? Or do we have to go back a full half century to find examples?

[Ming]

I get so tired of this "the dead vote" nonsense. Do you have an example of this happening in the last 30 years? 40 years? Or do we have to go back a full half century to find examples?

Talk about your silent majority! A new undercover video by James O’Keefe, the man who brought down ACORN, shows voters receiving ballots for the New Hampshire primary despite the notable handicap of being dead!

All of these voters were registered Democrats, which may be a coincidence—or maybe not. New Hampshire remains one of 20 states that require no voter ID, and its Democratic governor, John Lynch, vetoed a voter ID bill that came across his desk last year.

And even if it had passed, it would have doubtless hit the same obstacle ecountered by South Carolina, whose new voter ID law was shot down by the Holder Justice Department. The matter is headed to the courts.

Of course, dead people casting votes is nothing new. In 2008,Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, found that over 2,800 Minnesotans who had voted in the general election had previously been flagged by an independent data collection service as “deceased.” It is precisely because of such clear breaches that one might expect the Justice Department and the Obama administration to be vigorous champions of voter ID laws.

Doesn't sound like 30 or 40 years ago to me...

[Ming]

And yes, I know the video "doesn't prove" voter fraud... but it is pretty funny.
The Dead can vote.

The 2008 election in Minny does show that it still happens

[DinoDoc]

Do you ever get tired of people showing you up, Oerdin?

[Al B. Sure!]

I already gave evidence, albeit second-hand, where a guy looked over registrations in Philly from 2004 and found dozens of deceased (as well as under 18) voters just from a single polling station.

Yet at least 130 voters on the list were under the age of 18. Thirty-four of whom had a birth year of 2004 — the year of the election. And 215 voters on the list had a birthdate of: “00-00-00.”

Just looking at the years of birth for the registered voters, I found 54 voters listed with years of birth ranging from 1825 – 1899. While it is possible that a voter born in 1899 could still be alive in 2004 (he or she would be 105), it is clearly impossible that someone born in 1825 would.

Digging a little bit deeper, I was able to find confirmed deceased voters still on the list. I took a sample of 385 registrants born between the years 1900 and 1905, and found that 51 (thirteen percent!) were in fact dead, according to the Social Security Death Index.

There's no reason to doubt this evidence since it's well-known. The dead vote in Philly. Everyone here knows that.

You also need to look at this post of mine where I quoted a lengthy article from the Philadelphia City Paper about how rampant the fraud was in the 90's:

http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/199035-Suppression-of-voters-rights?p=6100670&viewfull=1#post6100670

Don't worry. I took the time to bold the relevant parts of the article to help you out.

Here's a bit:

How is it done? City Hall insiders — nameless in order to save jobs — cite a litany of registration methods available to the would-be election rigger.

Do dead men die? Not always. Corpses, say the sources, are perfect tools for election abuse.

The scam works like this. A registered voter dies near the registration deadline (Oct. 10 this year) but remains eligible. A hack sends somebody to pose as the dearly departed. If the fraudulent voter slips by poll watchers, the "ghost" ballot glides through.

For example, this from the article wasn't 30 years ago:

Papanikolau, a 37-year-old Democratic committeewoman from Feltonville, cast an absentee vote in the 1993 primary. That is, Papanikolau voted in the 42nd Ward on behalf of a woman who was absent — permanently. She had departed the earth six months before. Papanikolau later owned up to 22 counts of election fraud when busted.

The Stinson Scandal, where fraud was so pervasive that a judge had to rule the election in favor of the losing Republican candidate, wasn't 30 years ago...

No one fights it today because it helps the Democratic establishment and the Philly GOP is content with control of the Parking Authority. No one powerful benefits from rocking the boat.

[kentonio]

The major election frauds recently have been commited by prominent Republicans Albie.

[Dinner]

Doesn't sound like 30 or 40 years ago to me...

O'Keefe is a known liar with a very long track record of deliberately lying. Also, I don't see anyone dead voting in that link so please try again. All I see in that link is a right wing operative illegally getting one person's absentee ballot which he then couldn't use without committing voter fraud. Does anyone think there are actually enough people doing such a thing to swing an election? Also the proposed ID law wouldn't even effect this since you can get an absentee ballot mailed to you without an ID even with that law.