Suppression of voters' rights.

[SlowwHand]

Presentation of a DL or State I.D. that includes a photo needs to be in effect. Don't like it? Tough ****.

[Hauldren Collider]

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2011/06/10/poll-democrats-and-republicans-support-a-voter-id-check-law

75% of voters, including a majority of Democrats, support voter ID laws. This leads me to believe that many Democrats want to keep these laws from passing because fraud is actually component in their electoral strategy. This is of course unprovable.

[SlowwHand]

No way to prove it or even have a meaningful poll. We certainly can't put it to a vote, as current requirements exist, can we?

[DaShi]

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...r-id-check-law
75% of voters, including a majority of Democrats, support voter ID laws. This leads me to believe that many Democrats want to keep these laws from passing because fraud is actually component in their electoral strategy. This is of course unprovable.

Or that it predominantly disenfranchises a portion of the population. However, aren't you at all concerned that the majority of things you've stated to believe on this forum have been proven to be wrong or unprovable? Do you base anything on actual knowledge?

[SlowwHand]

Present facts that contradict him.

[Felch]

Or that it predominantly disenfranchises a portion of the population.

The portion that's dead? The tyranny of the living is a terrible sight to behold.

[DinoDoc]

The portion that's dead? The tyranny of the living is a terrible sight to behold.

:sad:

[Zevico]

How exactly is a return to voting laws reminiscent of Jim Crow laws a good thing for democracy?

The answer to this question requires a broader consideration of voting laws worldwide. Internationally, voting laws can and do require the production of identification prior to voting. In Australia, for example, such is the case and there is no issue or debate about whether it is sensible. It is taken as a given. Quite simply, voter ID laws reduce the possibility of voter fraud: and by fraud, I mean voting by people who are not entitled to vote, like people posing as dead citizens and voting in their place. This can and does happen: the phrase "vote early and vote often" did not come from nowhere. Voter fraud is a real phenomenon and it does not discriminate according to race, colour or creed (though its perpetrators often have to achieve racist goals, as proponents of Jim Crow did). Obtaining identification is no more difficult than registering to vote and frankly, registration and obtaining ID can be done in tandem. What this means is that voter ID laws are not exclusively or necessarily associated with the Jim Crow agenda. If you ensure that ID easily obtainable without regard to your race, creed or colour then no person will be purposely disenfranchised.

[Zevico]

The portion that's dead? The tyranny of the living is a terrible sight to behold.

All they want to do is eat your brains. They're not unreasonable--it's not like they want to eat your eyes.

[kentonio]

Voter identification helps to quash fraud, which is generally perpetrated by liberals.

Yes, horrible liberals like the Indiana GOP Secretary of State Charlie White..

http://www.salon.com/2012/02/27/vote..._gop_official/

Or Republican legislative aide Marcie Malszycki under investigation for voter fraud, incidentally she works for the guy who put forward one of these voter ID bills.

http://www.politicususa.com/twisted-...or-voter-fraud

Or how about Mitt Romney voting for Scott Brown after claiming that he actually lives in his sons basement?

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/06/...it-voter-fraud

How about we actually look at the evidence which shows that voter fraud happens about 0.0004% to 0.0009% of the time, and accept that this is a pathetic strawman which is being used by the Republicans to lower the Democratic voter turnout.

http://www.brennancenter.org/content...t_voter_fraud/

Oh and just to finish up, heres Paul Weyrich of the Heritage Foundation actually openly saying why they don't want people to vote.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

"Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome — good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."

[MrFun]

The answer to this question requires a broader consideration of voting laws worldwide. Internationally, voting laws can and do require the production of identification prior to voting. In Australia, for example, such is the case and there is no issue or debate about whether it is sensible. It is taken as a given. Quite simply, voter ID laws reduce the possibility of voter fraud: and by fraud, I mean voting by people who are not entitled to vote, like people posing as dead citizens and voting in their place. This can and does happen: the phrase "vote early and vote often" did not come from nowhere. Voter fraud is a real phenomenon and it does not discriminate according to race, colour or creed (though its perpetrators often have to achieve racist goals, as proponents of Jim Crow did). Obtaining identification is no more difficult than registering to vote and frankly, registration and obtaining ID can be done in tandem. What this means is that voter ID laws are not exclusively or necessarily associated with the Jim Crow agenda. If you ensure that ID easily obtainable without regard to your race, creed or colour then no person will be purposely disenfranchised.

I can't wait to see the corruption, manipulation, and exploitation that will occur, when those in the voter registration drives go out of their way to make members of certain demographic groups jump through more hoops to get their ID compared to members of other demographic groups.

[DinoDoc]

I can't wait to see the corruption, manipulation, and exploitation that will occur, when those in the voter registration drives go out of their way to make members of certain demographic groups jump through more hoops to get their ID compared to members of other demographic groups.

In Indiana, turnout was 22 percent higher in 2010, after photo ID, than in 2006.

In Georgia, total turnout in the 2010 midterms was 19 percent higher than in 2006.

And 44 percent more African-American voters cast ballots in the 2010 midterms in Georgia than in 2006.

Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp, a Republican said, “All these critics and these reports that are saying that people are going to be disenfranchised -- they have no hard data. They’re speculating. When you look at our numbers, we know, because we’ve been doing this since 2007, we know that minority participation has actually increased since photo ID laws were put in place.”

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/05/9225740-as-2012-turnout-battle-brews-justice-dept-eyes-voter-id-laws

I'm also curious where the fact Rhode Island (a heavily Democratic state) passed a voter id bill fits into the Voter ID is a GOP plot to suppress the turn out of Democratic voters argument.

[MrFun]

Okay, call me a douchebag.

[DaShi]

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_ne...-voter-id-laws

Good article. Seems the Democrats truly want to reduce voter fraud in a way that doesn't disenfranchise anyone.

[Felch]

Where does this new assumption come from that black people don't have IDs? Is it like the new stereotype, along with smoking Newports and watching Tyler Perry movies?