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  • "God bless you, Pat Robertson" - Fareed Zakaria agrees with Robertson on legalizinig marijuana


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    By Fareed Zakaria, CNN
    Something caught my eye the other day: Pat Robertson, the high priest of the religious right, had some startling things to say about drugs.

    "I really believe we should treat marijuana the way we treat beverage alcohol," Mr. Robertson said in a recent interview. "I've never used marijuana and I don't intend to, but it's just one of those things that I think. This war on drugs just hasn't succeeded."

    The reason Robertson is for legalizing marijuana is that it has created a prison problem in America that is well beyond what most Americans imagine.

    "It's completely out of control," Mr. Robertson said. "Prisons are being overcrowded with juvenile offenders having to do with drugs. And the penalties - the maximums - some of them could get 10 years for possession of a joint of marijuana. It makes no sense at all."
    Read: America needs a 2-page tax code.

    He’s right. Here are the numbers: The total number of Americans under correctional supervision (prison, parole, etc.) is 7.1 million, more than the entire state of Massachusetts. Adam Gopnik writes in the New Yorker, "Over all, there are now more people under 'correctional supervision' in America...than were in the Gulag Archipelago under Stalin at its height."

    No other country comes even close to our rates of incarceration. We have 760 prisoners per 100,000 people. Most European countries have one seventh that number (per capita, so it's adjusted for population). Even those on the high end of the global spectrum - Brazil and Poland - have only a quarter the number we do.

    If you say this is some kind of enduring aspect of America's "Wild West" culture, you would be wrong. In 1980, our rates of incarceration were a quarter what they are now. What changed was the war on drugs and the mindless proliferation of laws that created criminal penalties for anything and everything. If you don’t believe me, listen to Pat Roberston again. Here's a quote:

    "We here in America make up 5% of the world's population, but we make up 25% of jailed prisoners.... Even though these prisoners may have been sentenced by some court or some offense, should they be behind bars. Here's the thing: We have now over 3,000 - the number must be might higher than that - but over 3,000 federal crimes, and every time the liberals pass a bill - I don't care what it involves - they stick criminal sanctions on it. They don't feel there is any way people are going to keep a law unless they can put them in jail.... So we have the jails filled with people who are white collar criminals.

    In the past two decades, the money that states spend on prisons has risen at six times the rate of spending on higher education. In 2011, California spent $9.6 billion on prisons, versus $5.7 billion on higher education. Since 1980, California has built one college campus; it's built 21 prisons. The state spends $8,667 per student per year. It spends about $50,000 per inmate per year.
    Read: Deterring Iran is the best option.

    Why is this happening? Prisons are a big business. Most are privately run. They have powerful lobbyists and they have bought most state politicians. Meanwhile, we are bankrupting out states and creating a vast underclass of prisoners who will never be equipped for productive lives.
    I never thought I'd say this, but God bless you, Pat Robertson.
    7,1 million Americans under correctional supervision. Phew, pretty impressive stuff in my opinion.
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    Land of the Free.
    "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
    "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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    • #3
      There was a time where Robertson's statement (which was made a few months ago, IIRC) would have been earth shattering. But a lot of the right has moved on from Robertson (though mostly because he's be so utterly bat**** crazy on other issues).
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #4
        Yeah, but he's right on this one.
        Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
        RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms

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        • #5
          Legalize it, regulate it, and tax it. Doing that saves billions in law enforcement costs, raises new revenue, and gives people a bit more freedom. I mean, it's less damaging than alcohol so why not let grown adults make up their own minds?
          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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          • #6
            Especially when you've already degraded so many of their other rights. Throw them a bone, help the economy.

            I remain shocked that Robertson said this.
            Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
            RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms

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            • #7
              Could we have any more of a circle jerk here? Is there actually anyone left on this forum who thinks that pot shouldn't be legal?
              If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
              ){ :|:& };:

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              • #8
                Ben won't be back for a few weeks.

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                • #9
                  The only issue I have with legal pot is people driving under the effect of pot, I think devices for testing how high people are, and campaigns telling people that if they drive high they will go to jail should be done if you legalize pot.
                  I need a foot massage

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    Could we have any more of a circle jerk here? Is there actually anyone left on this forum who thinks that pot shouldn't be legal?
                    I don't think smoking pot while watching the 700 club should be legal

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                      Could we have any more of a circle jerk here? Is there actually anyone left on this forum who thinks that pot shouldn't be legal?
                      What happened to Kidicious?

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                      • #12
                        Ok, I'll give you kidicious, anyone else?
                        If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                        ){ :|:& };:

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                          Ok, I'll give you kidicious, anyone else?
                          I already mentioned Ben.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                            I don't think smoking pot while watching the 700 club should be legal
                            It would be a requirement for me.
                            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                              Could we have any more of a circle jerk here? Is there actually anyone left on this forum who thinks that pot shouldn't be legal?
                              Moi. If they legalize it that means they're going to dump the job of determing who should get it on doctors, even though there are no decent studies on it's medicinal merits and flaws. ( By which I mean large scale, prospective, double-blinded. ) Basically every a**hole doper is going to be walking into my clinic trying to tell me that I have to prescribe marijuana for him.
                              "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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