Broccoli

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I doubt the culture in Houston is that different from the culture of other Deep South cities like Atlanta and Jacksonville.

So let me see if I got the nuanced distinctions down correctly.

The south really isn't the south, what's at issue is the the DEEP south. The DEEP south is only that portion of the south that Oerdin can use to support his thesis and the critieria for inclusion (definition) of the DEEP south is maleable as long as it supports the thesis.

Meanwhile California is beyond awesome and in particular San Diego except that portion that is right next door, El Cajon, which apparently is part of the DEEP south.

Does that cover it?

[The Mad Monk]

A wonderful thread about broccoli, shot to hell...

[Wezil]

I wish Oerdin would tell us what he really thinks about the south.

I'm tired of reading between the lines.

[PLATO]

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

We will see if the court is going to stretch the commerce clause to the point of destroying the 10th Amendment.

It is curious to see so many otherwise intelligent Apolytoners not understanding that something can be unconstitutional for the federal government and still be a State Law.

My belief is that a limited federal government goes a long way to securing freedom. Sometimes the federal government can have a good idea, but it is not their job to execute that idea. Now...if they were smart, they would have handled health care the same way they handled the 55 mph speed limit..."Adopt this health care bill or no federal funds". Sadly, that is constitutional.

[Felch]

So let me see if I got the nuanced distinctions down correctly.

The south really isn't the south, what's at issue is the the DEEP south. The DEEP south is only that portion of the south that Oerdin can use to support his thesis and the critieria for inclusion (definition) of the DEEP south is maleable as long as it supports the thesis.

Meanwhile California is beyond awesome and in particular San Diego except that portion that is right next door, El Cajon, which apparently is part of the DEEP south.

Does that cover it?

Also, the deep south is where black people live, and I'm racist for pointing that out.

[The Mad Monk]

Al never showed up in this thread...perhaps he doesn't like broccoli...

[Uncle Sparky]

Wouldn't Obama favour broccoflower over broccoli or caulifower?

[The Mad Monk]

A little early, but still...

Justices poised to strike down entire healthcare law


By David G. Savage

March 28, 2012, 8:35 a.m.
Reporting from Washington—
The Supreme Court's conservative justices said Wednesday they are prepared to strike down President Obama’s healthcare law entirely.

Picking up where they left off Tuesday, the conservatives said they thought a decision striking down the law's controversial individual mandate to purchase health insurance means the whole statute should fall with it.

The court’s conservatives sounded as though they had determined for themselves that the 2,700-page measure must be declared unconstitutional.

"One way or another, Congress will have to revisit it in toto," said Justice Antonin Scalia.

Agreeing, Justice Anthony Kennedy said it would be an "extreme proposition" to allow the various insurance regulations to stand after the mandate was struck down.

Meanwhile, the court's liberal justices argued for restraint. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said the court should do a "salvage job," not undertake a “wrecking operation." But she looked to be out-voted.

Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. said they shared the view of Scalia and Kennedy that the law should stand or fall in total. Along with Justice Clarence Thomas, they would have a majority to strike down the entire statute as unconstitutional.

An Obama administration lawyer, urging caution, said it would be "extraordinary" for the court to throw out the entire law. About 2.5 million young people under age 26 are on their parents' insurance now because of the new law. If it were struck down entirely, "2.5 million of them would be thrown off the insurance rolls," said Edwin Kneedler.

The administration indicated it was prepared to accept a ruling that some of the insurance reforms should fall if the mandate were struck down. For example, insurers would not be required to sell coverage to people with preexisting conditions. But Kneedler, a deputy solicitor general, said the court should go no further.

But the court's conservatives said the law was passed as a package and must fall as a package.

The justices are scheduled to meet Wednesday afternoon to debate the law's Medicaid expansion.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-justices-poised-to-strike-down-entire-healthcare-law-20120328,0,2058481.story

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I wonder if Obama is starting to regret his supreme court broadside via his state of the union in 2010. The opinion in Citizens United was after all written by Kennedy, the noted swing vote.

[BlackCat]

I wonder if Obama is starting to regret his supreme court broadside via his state of the union in 2010. The opinion in Citizens United was after all written by Kennedy, the noted swing vote.

Are you suggesting that Supreme Court judges are bribeable ?

[OzzyKP]

He's suggesting that Kennedy has hurt feelings from Obama's State of the Union Address and will vote against his health care plan out of revenge.

Which is silly.

[Imran Siddiqui]

From what it appears to me, Chief Justice Roberts POV is still unascertainable and I read a lot of stuff prior to oral arguments that he may vote to uphold it. So I think the right wing champagne cork popping is slightly premature.

[BlackCat]

He's suggesting that Kennedy has hurt feelings from Obama's State of the Union Address and will vote against his health care plan out of revenge.

Which is silly.

Don't belive what Alpert says - I do actually understand english - just wanted to stretch Ogies "conspiracy theory" a bit

[regexcellent]

From what it appears to me, Chief Justice Roberts POV is still unascertainable and I read a lot of stuff prior to oral arguments that he may vote to uphold it. So I think the right wing champagne cork popping is slightly premature.

Very few non-lawyers have a full understanding of the supreme court. I certainly don't so I'm not going to embarrass myself with predictions. But in any case, I think the champagne cork popping you describe is coming from people who think more in terms of politics than law.

[MrFun]

Are there any Republican politicians who genuinely and consistently support the idea of smaller government?