Broccoli

[kentonio]

I think Nate Silver is a lot savvier at American politics than you are...but if you aren't convinced, then realize that Nate Silver's advantage over virtually everyone else in the business is that he actually takes the time to back up his analysis with quantitative evidence.

Quantitative evidence? That Obamacare is unpopular? What about the polls I just mentioned that prove that individual sections of the bill are extremely popular? Do things only count as 'evidence' when they agree with what you already think?

[DinoDoc]

Inappropriate, but I admire their balls...

In the escalating battle between the administration and the judiciary, a federal appeals court apparently is calling the president's bluff -- ordering the Justice Department to answer by Thursday whether the Obama Administration believes that the courts have the right to strike down a federal law, according to a lawyer who was in the courtroom.

The order, by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, appears to be in direct response to the president's comments yesterday about the Supreme Court's review of the health care law. Mr. Obama all but threw down the gauntlet with the justices, saying he was "confident" the Court would not "take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress."

Overturning a law of course would not be unprecedented -- since the Supreme Court since 1803 has asserted the power to strike down laws it interprets as unconstitutional. The three-judge appellate court appears to be asking the administration to admit that basic premise -- despite the president's remarks that implied the contrary.

Appeals court fires back at Obama's comments on health care case

[BlackCat]

You are thinking of "tax deductible". Not the same.

Yeah, got the difference now - we danes have been so smart to call it self/own risk when it comes to what you have to pay yourself on an insurance instead of confusing it with deductible.

[giblets]

Seriously? That's the best they have?

When people are asked about Obamacare, most are negative. When people are asked about individual sections of the bill, the response is extremely favourable. Single payer is also a much more attractive proposition to this crappy bill. Ergo..

Even if some parts of the bill are popular, if the bill itself is unpopular I don't see how striking it down is a victory for Obama. You can't base an entire presidential campaign on letting people stay on their parents' health plan until they're 26.

[BlackCat]

I'm a bit curious - how many without insurance are against this law ?

[Tupac Shakur]

All the ones who don't want to purchase insurance, but will be forced to?

[BlackCat]

Oh, all those that dont get sick and dont need docs - yup, that makes sense

[Wezil]

He didn't say it was a wise decision.

I know lots of young people that think they will live forever. Health concerns can be rather abstract at that age.

[BlackCat]

He didn't say it was a wise decision.

I know lots of young people that think they will live forever. Health concerns can be rather abstract at that age.

True. Same goes for retirement - that is why it has to be enforced upon the idiots

[Hauldren Collider]

True. Same goes for retirement - that is why it has to be enforced upon the idiots

This is where we disagree. I say let them suffer for their stupidity.

[Wezil]

It's one of the areas where my libertarianism conflicts with reality. I have a problem with the State protecting us from ourselves and in general I think people should be free to make decisions for themselves (even bad ones) but then when you look around you realise how stupid the "average" person really is and how widespread the bad decisions would be.

When it comes to healthcare, I see an overall benefit to having a healthy population (productivity, disease control, etc.) and come down on the side of mandated universal coverage.

[Aeson]

I'm a bit curious - how many without insurance are against this law ?

Me. It's a colossally stupid law (in aggregate).

[BlackCat]

This is where we disagree. I say let them suffer for their stupidity.

No, this is where you display your stupidity. You don't just let these idiots die due to lack of food - you set up several kinds of help organisations that prevent them from dying. That is stupid if they were able to secure such through their life.

[DaShi]

It's not being forced on them for their own good. It's being forced on them for everyone's own good. There's an obvious difference between health insurance and broccoli.

[BlackCat]

Me. It's a colossally stupid law (in aggregate).

Please elaborate - are you some kind of rich kid that expect your parents to pay for your (whatever disease you might catch) or are you som poor guy that don't want anyone to interfere with your healt ?