Reccomend me a "new" car

[BlackCat]

Sure, an electric car would be nice - unfortunatedly I live on second floor, so recharging could be a problematic issue

[DinoDoc]

Sure, an electric car would be nice - unfortunatedly I live on second floor, so recharging could be a problematic issue

It also catches fire.

[PLATO]

It could pribably be sold in the US if the quality cold be lowered enough.

Simple...have Americans build it.

[BlackCat]

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[Dinner]

Both the American built BMWs and Mercedes are higher in quality than the European built versions. Toyota exports American made Toyotas to Japan because they're cheaper to build here due to the exchange rate and the quality is still excellent. BTW in general the only country which regularly gets rated as having worse quality than European brands in Korea with American brands having higher quality and Japanese having the highest quality.

[-Jrabbit]

I spent most of Nov-Dec car shopping, with lots of research and test drives.
Don't know if Hyundai is available over there, but I was really impressed with the '09-11 Sonata.

[Provost Harrison]

I know that mondeo is a good car - my current is a such. Though, it's a bit smallish, only 115 HP. That cutie in the link has 220 .

It's main fault is that it cost ~35kUSD.

Yeah, 115 would be slow in a car of that size, 220 would be far better. Mine is about the same power as that but much lighter. At last I can get my revenge on the 3-series driving arseholes

[Dinner]

Clearly I am be taunted.

[Provost Harrison]

Clearly I am be taunted.

Clearly you be.

[Hauldren Collider]

I spent most of Nov-Dec car shopping, with lots of research and test drives.
Don't know if Hyundai is available over there, but I was really impressed with the '09-11 Sonata.

Dad recently bought a Sonata, loves it.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Both the American built BMWs and Mercedes are higher in quality than the European built versions. Toyota exports American made Toyotas to Japan because they're cheaper to build here due to the exchange rate and the quality is still excellent. BTW in general the only country which regularly gets rated as having worse quality than European brands in Korea with American brands having higher quality and Japanese having the highest quality.

This is all a moot point with American-designed cars, because any amount of engineering is just polishing a turd.

Take America's most iconic performance car, the Corvette. It's got leaf-spring suspension. That was considered cutting-edge technology in the first half of the 19th century, but I think you really want a better solution on any vehicle not pulled by a horse.

[PLATO]

Take America's most iconic performance car, the Corvette. It's got leaf-spring suspension. That was considered cutting-edge technology in the first half of the 19th century, but I think you really want a better solution on any vehicle not pulled by a horse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_leaf_spring

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Ahahahahahahahaha. This part of that Wiki article says it all-

"In addition to the Corvette, a composite transverse leaf spring has been used on other GM and non-GM vehicles.
Volvo 960 (Wagon only)
Volvo S90
Mercedes Sprinter vans (transverse in front only)
VW 1-Litre-Car prototype car
GM W platform cars- (Lumina, Grand Prix, Regal, Cutlass Supreme).
GM E platform cars- (Eldorado, Toronado, Riviera, Reatta, Allante).
Mercedes Smart ForTwo (used with MacPherson Struts)
Indigo, a Swedish made, low volume roadster. Due to the anti-roll properties of the transverse leaf spring setup the car does not use a separate front anti-roll bar.[10]
Many small European cars such as the Fiat 128, the Yugo, and the Triumph Motor Company small chassis cars (Herald, Vitesse, Spitfire, GT6) used transverse steel springs in similar fashion. The Yugo's steel spring used twin attachment points and did provide anti-roll capability."


A litany of racing tradition guaranteed to leave Ferrari and Porsche quaking in their boots, I think you'll find.

[Dinner]

This is all a moot point with American-designed cars, because any amount of engineering is just polishing a turd.

Take America's most iconic performance car, the Corvette. It's got leaf-spring suspension. That was considered cutting-edge technology in the first half of the 19th century, but I think you really want a better solution on any vehicle not pulled by a horse.

They haven't had leaf springs since the early 80's. I agree though that up until the early 90's the big three took a "meh, they won't notice the difference so go the cheapest route" attitude. BTW tons of Japanese and European cars get designed here plus, as I said, over the last 20 years the big three have got more serious about not just doing what ever is cheapest. None of this changes the fact that most mass market European brands usually suck at quality and break left and right; the big exceptions are the premium brands but even the premium brands break more compared to US or Japanese premium brands if the ratings companies are to be believed.

That said, I wouldn't trade my BMW for a Caddy or a Lincoln. The designs are simply aimed at different market segments.

[PLATO]

uh....Corvette still has leaf springs. They changed from steel to composite during the 80s, but they are still leaf springs.