Did the Sahara cause Black-white racism and affect how we view race?

[Hauldren Collider]

Steam power was already available and the South has rivers so that isn't very convincing.

The north had quite a few more rivers that were exploitable for water power. Steam power existed but by the time it existed, an industrial base had grown up in the north.

[Al B. Sure!]

This does not, as a matter of fact, prove that slavery prevented investment in capital. The gap between the south and north grew a lot after the civil war.

Momentum in the North. Industrialization clearly has a momentum. A survey of history shows such.

Share-cropping, which is effectively serfdom, remained an institution in the South well into the middle of the 20th century.

[giblets]

So you agree that geography doesn't explain the difference in industrialization between the South and the North? What explains it then? Perchance slavery?

I can turn your tactics back on you, punk.

The South had a comparative advantage in agriculture because it could grow cotton (duh) and in the early 19th century women and children in New England earned very low wages relative to men in agriculture so they were a cheap labor source.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w0722

[giblets]

The north had quite a few more rivers that were exploitable for water power. Steam power existed but by the time it existed, an industrial base had grown up in the north.

There was no steam power in the early 19th century? I think you're wrong about that.

[Hauldren Collider]

From what I remember from American History, heavy industry grew up in the north with shipbuilding, and the base already existed prior to the industrial revolution in New England.

[giblets]

From what I remember from American History, heavy industry grew up in the north with shipbuilding, and the base already existed prior to the industrial revolution in New England.

What exactly is the connection between building ships and, say, textile mills?

[Al B. Sure!]

Samuel Slater of Rhode Island visited several mills owned by Arkwright and associates, memorized the
essential features and returned to the US. In 1792, he opened a yarn spinning mill in Pawtucket, Rhode
Island, the first successful automated yarn spinning in the US.

http://www.textilehistory.org/

[giblets]

Samuel Slater of Rhode Island visited several mills owned by Arkwright and associates, memorized the
essential features and returned to the US. In 1792, he opened a yarn spinning mill in Pawtucket, Rhode
Island, the first successful automated yarn spinning in the US.

http://www.textilehistory.org/

Yes, a man from Britain pirated British technology to build the first textile mills. Which has no apparent connection to building ships.

[Al B. Sure!]

Yes, a man from Britain pirated British technology to build the first textile mills. Which has no apparent connection to building ships.

But textile manufacturing in the North predates the 19th century was the point...

[SlowwHand]

The South had a comparative advantage in agriculture because it could grow cotton (duh) and in the early 19th century women and children in New England earned very low wages relative to men in agriculture so they were a cheap labor source.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w0722

Pretty close to slavery.

[Whoha]

This does not, as a matter of fact, prove that slavery prevented investment in capital. The gap between the south and north grew a lot after the civil war.

That will happen when you strip an area of its productive assets, burn its cities to the ground, and eviscerate its population.

[Al B. Sure!]

That will happen when you strip an area of its productive assets, burn its cities to the ground, and eviscerate its population.

Who eviscerated Confederates?

Frankly, we weren't harsh enough. Should have occupied their asses til the 1960's. The moment Reconstruction ended, they started that Jim Crow BS.

[Hauldren Collider]

That would not have helped.

[Al B. Sure!]

That would not have helped.

It would have helped Blacks. A lot.

[giblets]

That will happen when you strip an area of its productive assets, burn its cities to the ground, and eviscerate its population.

Lost capital can be replaced relatively quickly after a war. It certainly didn't take that long for Japan to recover after its population was actually eviscerated in WWII.