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    Experiments with chimps and three-year-old children point the way toward greater economic justice.


    How to Get the Rich to Share the Marbles
    By JONATHAN HAIDT

    Suppose scientists discovered a clump of neurons in the brain that, when stimulated, turned people into egalitarians. This would be good news for Democratic strategists and speechwriters, who could now get to work framing arguments about wealth and taxation in ways that might activate the relevant section of cerebral cortex.

    This “share-the-spoils” button has been discovered, in a sense, but it may turn out to be harder to press than Democrats might think.

    Pretend you’re a three-year-old, exploring an exciting new room full of toys. You and another child come up to a large machine that has some marbles inside, which you can see. There’s a rope running through the machine and the two ends of the rope hang out of the front, five feet apart. If you or your partner pulls on the rope alone, you just get more rope. But if you both pull at the same time, the rope dislodges some marbles, which you each get to keep. The marbles roll down a chute, and then they divide: one rolls into the cup in front of you, three roll into the cup in front of your partner.
    Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology

    This is the scenario created by developmental psychologists Michael Tomasello and Katharina Hamann at the Max Planck Institute in Leipzig, Germany. In this situation, where both kids have to pull for anyone to get marbles, the children equalize the wealth about 75% of the time, with hardly any conflict. Either the “rich” kid hands over one marble spontaneously or else the “poor” kid asks for one and his request is immediately granted.

    But an experiment must have more than one condition, and the experimenters ran two other versions of the study to isolate the active ingredient. What had led to such high rates of sharing, given that three-year-olds are often quite reluctant to share new treasures? Children who took part in the second condition found that the marbles were already waiting for them in the cups when they first walked up to the machine. No work required.

    In this condition, it’s finders-keepers. If you have the bad luck to place yourself in front of the cup with one marble, then your partner is very unlikely to offer you one, you’re unlikely to ask, and if you do ask, you’re likely to be rebuffed. Only about 5% of the time did any marbles change hands.

    But here’s the most amazing condition — a slight variation that reveals a deep truth. Things start off just as in the first condition: you and your partner see two ropes hanging out of the machine. But as you start tugging it becomes clear that they are two separate ropes. You pull yours, and one marble rolls out into your cup. Your partner pulls the other rope, and is rewarded with three marbles. What happens next?
    The Hamann Tomasello apparatusMax Planck Institute for Evolutionary AnthropologyThe Hamann Tomasello apparatus

    For the most part, it’s pullers-keepers. Even though you and your partner each did the same work (rope pulling) at more or less the same time, you both know that you didn’t really collaborate to produce the wealth. Only about 30% of the time did the kids work out an equal split. In other words, the “share-the-spoils” button is not pressed by the mere existence of inequality. It is pressed when two or more people collaborated to produce a gain. Once the button is pressed in both brains, both parties willingly and effortlessly share.

    Tomasello has found that chimpanzees doing tasks similar to this one do not share the spoils, in any of the conditions. They just grab what they can, regardless of who did what. They don’t seem to keep track of who was on the team. Tomasello believes that the “share-the-spoils” response emerged at some point in the last half-million years, as humans began to forage and hunt cooperatively. Those who had the response could develop stable, ongoing partnerships. They worked together in small teams, which accomplished far more than individuals could on their own.

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    What do you think? Do you think people feel more inclined to share the wealth if they perceive the economy as a giant collaborative effort?

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    • #3
      Tomasello has found that chimpanzees doing tasks similar to this one do not share the spoils, in any of the conditions. They just grab what they can, regardless of who did what. They don’t seem to keep track of who was on the team. Tomasello believes that the “share-the-spoils” response emerged at some point in the last half-million years, as humans began to forage and hunt cooperatively. Those who had the response could develop stable, ongoing partnerships. They worked together in small teams, which accomplished far more than individuals could on their own.
      Does this mean liberals are more evolved?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by gribbler View Post
        Does this mean liberals are more evolved?
        Libertarians fling their poo.
        There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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        • #5
          I think the article is a bit naive to think that string pulling "ideal" has anything to do with what Democrats are after.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Aeson View Post
            I think the article is a bit naive to think that string pulling "ideal" has anything to do with what Democrats are after.
            I agree.

            It would be better directed at some subset of democrat supporters. Probably at a (smaller) subset of republican supporters too.

            JM
            Jon Miller-
            I AM.CANADIAN
            GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Aeson View Post
              I think the article is a bit naive to think that string pulling "ideal" has anything to do with what Democrats are after.
              It doesn't matter, as long as it makes political communication more efficient.
              In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.

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              • #8
                You guys are ****ing idiots...
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                Killing it is the new killing it
                Ultima Ratio Regum

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                • #9
                  So some democrats have finally found a pseudo-scientific way to pretend they're better than everyone else? At last, now they can do what they do anyways, but have some bull**** to back it up.
                  If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                  ){ :|:& };:

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                    You guys are ****ing idiots...
                    I'm curious about what you're on about.

                    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    So some democrats have finally found a pseudo-scientific way to pretend they're better than everyone else? At last, now they can do what they do anyways, but have some bull**** to back it up.
                    My response was tongue-in-cheek although I do think your attitudes are primitive.

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