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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostAny restriction on abortion in the US is presented as so women who were raped will be forced to die in childbirth.
It is atrocious.
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But how would you treat ectopic pregnancy, Jon?
I think you have to accept termination has to be carried out under such circumstances. After that, it's just a numbers game, and arguments over whose drawing of the line is preferable.The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland
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Originally posted by Dinner View PostHC is completely out to lunch about this and three pages later he's still trying to pretend they weren't trying to force women to get a transvaginal ultrasound (vaginal penetration ultrasound) even after he's been show links and quotes multiple times.
Does anyone else find that hilarious after his claims of closely watching Virgina politics and claiming I was wrong about the vaginal penetration mandate? Come on, HC, just man up and admit you were wrong already.
I didn't see you quote that anywhere before in the thread.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by MrFun View PostAs a person, should embryos have the right to vote?
Children are people and can't vote, fucktard. Felons are people and they can't vote either. Noncitizens are people and can't vote. Do you need any more examples?If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by MRT144 View PostExcept own slaves at the time of ratification. For all our gusto about natural rights, we sure had a ****ed up and stupid way of applying them for the first half of our history, and a sad, foot dragging way of doing the right thing even to this day.
Regexcellent is correct that the Europeans have it backwards. Their "rights" are actually an expansion of government power and intrusion, a mandate on government to be paternalistic. We take the reverse approach.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by Dinner View PostHere's some fact: Support for abortion rights has remained pretty much constant (with in a very narrow band) since 1975. 51% believe it should be legal under certain circumstances, 26% believe it should be legal under all circumstances, and only 20% believe it should be illegal. I agree with Jon Miller, 20% really is a very small number.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspxIf there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostYou need to be more careful here. The reality is that "under certain circumstances" includes a number of corner cases. Most people would agree that in the case of life-threatening pregnancy, abortion is justified. This, however, is somewhat of a canard due to its rarity. If you look at the number of people who consider themselves pro-life and pro-choice, a much better metric of whether people think abortion should be more restricted or less, the numbers are far more fluid, and if I recall correctly, these days people under the age of 30 are substantially more likely to oppose the current looseness of abortion restrictions than those over 30. The pro-abortion crowd is aging and dissipating."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger
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Illegal murder is pretty horrifying, yes. I don't think it's as horrifying as the idea of legal murder though.
I'd be keen on taking the Drake route and assuming it's because Baby Boomers are just horrible people who are thankfully dying out.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostIllegal murder is pretty horrifying, yes. I don't think it's as horrifying as the idea of legal murder though."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger
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Originally posted by MRT144 View PostYou know what I meant.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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I'm going to answer some things brought up on this page in no particular order (out of laziness since I just took two finals).
Americans are closely divided in their abortion positions, with 49% calling themselves "pro-choice" and 45% "pro-life," similar to a year ago. Public support for making abortion legal in either all cases or no cases is much lower, at 27% and 22%, respectively, while 50% favor something in between.
Differences in the way Americans of different age groups view abortion rights have diminished over the past decade. In recent years, support for broadly legal abortion has been quite similar -- albeit shrinking -- among the three age groups younger than 65. Only seniors are significantly less supportive.
Data here suggests that abortion support is going down and that the least support is among the youngest demographic. "Pro-lifers" versus "pro-choicers" are flipping back and forth. Most people believe there should be restrictions on abortions, for instance, that after the 2nd trimester they should not be legal, and that partial birth abortions should not be legal. Concerning partial birth abortions, I only know one person who continued to support them after hearing how it works--the doctor delivers 80% of the baby and sucks his brain out through a tube.
Embryos should not have the right to vote because they're not 18. Debate about whether they are living notwithstanding.
The idea of a parenting certificate is, to me, horrifying; that's a huge expansion of government power in a ridiculously dangerous direction. Kind of like eugenics, really.
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostThe pro-abortion crowd is aging and dissipating.
Do you know what would be the best way of reversing that trend?
A generation of abortion being banned.The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland
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Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View PostDo you know what would be the best way of reversing that trend?
A generation of abortion being banned.
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostYes, you're right, I was being obtuse. Look, I get that it would be bad for women to be attempting their own abortions, without safety precautions or medical expertise. I get it. But I don't think that's a sufficient excuse for legal abortion."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger
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