Originally posted by regexcellent
View Post
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
Fair is fair . . . Georgia Democrats propose an anti-vasectomy bill
Collapse
X
-
Originally posted by regexcellent View PostPro-life activists blow up bombs because they have no other recourse for stopping the killing. It happens because democracy has been subverted by the Supreme Court.
Originally posted by regexcellent View PostThe American mainstream has not become sick and twisted; it just hasn't gotten so ridiculously liberal as the European mainstream.
Comment
-
Originally posted by regexcellent View PostViolence becomes the only option when democracy doesn't exist. The reason we don't have violent revolts like in Libya is because we have democracy. The correct answer is to let the democratic institutions decide whether or not abortion should be legal.
Originally posted by regexcellent View PostEuropeans have a completely backwards notion of what rights are. They think that rights are something the government is required to provide for you. We think rights are something the government isn't allowed to stop you from doing.
Comment
-
Originally posted by regexcellent View PostEuropeans have a completely backwards notion of what rights are. They think that rights are something the government is required to provide for you. We think rights are something the government isn't allowed to stop you from doing."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger
Comment
-
Originally posted by kentonio View PostA majority of people in America believe abortion should be legal. What part of that is so hard to understand?
Moreover, even if that were true, it doesn't change the fact that the mechanism by which it is legal is unsatisfactory and leaves no legal recourse for the people who don't like the decision.
EDIT: I should qualify "very few." It's somewhere in the range of, I believe, 20% or so. That's not really very few but whatever.
Comment
-
Originally posted by regexcellent View PostFirst of all, that's not true. A majority of Americans believe abortion should be legal in limited circumstances. Very few Americans think it should be as available as it is now (see Gallup polling on this). Support for abortion is also steadily dropping.
Moreover, even if that were true, it doesn't change the fact that the mechanism by which it is legal is unsatisfactory and leaves no legal recourse for the people who don't like the decision."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger
Comment
-
Originally posted by MRT144 View PostExcept abortions are calculated decisions. No one has a panic frenzy abortion.
I know a woman who, back in the sixties, got pregnant at age seventeen. Now, this was before Roe, and in any case their religious family wouldn't likely have done such a thing. But her father did tell her, in no uncertain terms, that if she didn't give the child up for adoption, she would be disowned and thrown out of the house. Well, what was she supposed to do? She gave her son up. And if the ultimatum had been abortion instead, I don't think her options would have changed much. And she wasn't in too bad shape in the grand scheme of things. Some women are simply too poor to care for the child one way or another.
I might add, though, that stories like the one I just told are the basis for what's been called the feminist argument against abortion: at least some of the time, abortion is not empowering or enabling, but simply another way for women to be controlled by the men in their lives. I don't know how often, but certainly it allows for sexual abuse of minors to be swept under the carpet. How frequently do you think fourteen-year-old girls are escorted to PP by their nervous, twenty-five-year-old "uncles," who pay for the procedure and never get reported to the authorities? Unfortunately, that's the sort of thing that's very hard to collect accurate statistics on. But I bet it happens pretty often.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Elok View PostIt's not a precise parallel, of course. And some abortions, I'm sure, are purely elective--there's a real choice at work, the woman is perfectly capable of caring for a child and simply chooses not to. But I don't think that is the case in the majority of abortions. More often I believe the "choice" is constrained badly.
I know a woman who, back in the sixties, got pregnant at age seventeen. Now, this was before Roe, and in any case their religious family wouldn't likely have done such a thing. But her father did tell her, in no uncertain terms, that if she didn't give the child up for adoption, she would be disowned and thrown out of the house. Well, what was she supposed to do? She gave her son up. And if the ultimatum had been abortion instead, I don't think her options would have changed much. And she wasn't in too bad shape in the grand scheme of things. Some women are simply too poor to care for the child one way or another.
I might add, though, that stories like the one I just told are the basis for what's been called the feminist argument against abortion: at least some of the time, abortion is not empowering or enabling, but simply another way for women to be controlled by the men in their lives. I don't know how often, but certainly it allows for sexual abuse of minors to be swept under the carpet. How frequently do you think fourteen-year-old girls are escorted to PP by their nervous, twenty-five-year-old "uncles," who pay for the procedure and never get reported to the authorities? Unfortunately, that's the sort of thing that's very hard to collect accurate
statistics on. But I bet it happens pretty often."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger
Comment
-
Originally posted by Elok View PostI have roughly the same compassion towards a woman who has an elective abortion as I do toward a single mother who, after dealing with a colicky, screaming child for weeks and weeks, finally snaps and shakes the child to death in a frenzy of panic.
Was she under a lot of stress? Yes.
Can I understand why she did what she did? Yes, at least in the abstract.
Do I call her a bad person? No.
Did she do something very, very wrong? Yes.
Except that I would add to it.
Does she realize what she did was wrong? Probably not.
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
Comment
-
I don't understand why the abortion debate causes such rancor. It's obvious that all humans should be genetically programmed to be sterile from birth with the option for sterility reversal upon receipt of a parenting certificate. In such cases where the sterility fails, fetuses should be removed from the uterus, grown in laboratory settings, and given to individuals with parenting certificates. Alternatively, sterilization can be permanent and new humans can be constructed when necessary and raised by robots.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld
Comment
-
Originally posted by MRT144 View PostWhat does this mean?
The same lie in this thread (the baby is not a person), but a lot more effort is put into convincing african-americans. And others whose children would be undesirable.
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Lorizael View PostI don't understand why the abortion debate causes such rancor. It's obvious that all humans should be genetically programmed to be sterile from birth with the option for sterility reversal upon receipt of a parenting certificate. In such cases where the sterility fails, fetuses should be removed from the uterus, grown in laboratory settings, and given to individuals with parenting certificates. Alternatively, sterilization can be permanent and new humans can be constructed when necessary and raised by robots.
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
Comment
Comment