Wow, we humans are pretty awful.

[Tupac Shakur]

Most people seem to accept that homosexuality is caused by a developmental abnormality of some kind, so it's not much of a stretch to consider it an "illness". The stupid thing is thinking it's an illness that can be treated with Bible verses and sexual repression.

[Dinner]

Tell that to Rick Santorum.

[OzzyKP]

I may be late to the party, but I had never heard of this illness until today.

That still exists. Nowadays they call it Oppositional Defiance Disorder.

[giblets]

That still exists. Nowadays they call it Oppositional Defiance Disorder.

Seriously? You think this is like a slave that wants to escape?

Common features of Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) include excessive, often persistent anger, frequent temper tantrums or angry outbursts, as well as disregard for authority. Children and adolescents with ODD often purposely annoy others, blame others for their own mistakes, and are easily disturbed. Parents often observe more rigid and irritable behaviors than in siblings.[2] In addition, these young people may appear resentful of others and when someone does something they don't like they prefer taking revenge more than sensitive solutions.[3]

For a child or adolescent to qualify for a diagnosis of ODD these behaviors must cause considerable distress for the family and/or interfere significantly with academic or social functioning. Interference might take the form of preventing the child or adolescent from learning at school or making friends, or placing him or her in harmful situations. These behaviors must also persist for at least six months. Effects of ODD can be greatly amplified by other disorders in comorbidity such as ADHD.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_Defiance_Disorder

[OzzyKP]

Heaven forbid a kid talks back to their parents and doesn't follow their rules, what a mentally deficient person.

[MrFun]

Most people seem to accept that homosexuality is caused by a developmental abnormality of some kind, so it's not much of a stretch to consider it an "illness". The stupid thing is thinking it's an illness that can be treated with Bible verses and sexual repression.

Where do you get that? I have the impression that the majority of people have now accepted that homosexuality is not an illness or a developmental abnormality.

[Aeson]

I think Tupac is using "ill" to describe "abnormality" bereft of either's pejorative context... like if a musician dropped some ill lyrics, that would be describing it's positive divergence from the mundane or normal.

[Tupac Shakur]

Where do you get that? I have the impression that the majority of people have now accepted that homosexuality is not an illness or a developmental abnormality.

Your impression is wrong.

[giblets]

Heaven forbid a kid talks back to their parents and doesn't follow their rules, what a mentally deficient person.

If that's your summary of "oppositional defiance disorder" then it sounds like you're making a massive understatement.

[Al B. Sure!]

Where do you get that? I have the impression that the majority of people have now accepted that homosexuality is not an illness or a developmental abnormality.

Majority where? I'm not even sure it's the majority in the US, let alone globally.

[Zoetstofzoetje]

my father still had some ´very loyal assistants´ up until a few years after WW2. apparently they cried when my father and his family left.

such cruelty, to leave people to be independent. seeing the videos, i tend to believe that things were better when we were ruling the place. what a disorganized mess it has become.

i´m sure the elder English would say the same about India.

[Al B. Sure!]

my father still had some ´very loyal assistants´ up until a few years after WW2. apparently they cried when my father and his family left.

such cruelty, to leave people to be independent. seeing the videos, i tend to believe that things were better when we were ruling the place. what a disorganized mess it has become.

i´m sure the elder English would say the same about India.

Ruling what place?

[Zoetstofzoetje]

dutch east indies

[Aeson]

such cruelty, to leave people to be independent. seeing the videos, i tend to believe that things were better when we were ruling the place. what a disorganized mess it has become.

You're a moron. They were willing to die to get you the **** out of there. That's how "well" your 17th century mindset actually worked.

[Dinner]

Clearly slaves who do not want to be slaves are suffering from some sort of mental illness. It couldn't be from any other reason.