Israel demands $300B from Arab countries

[giblets]

*are pages
(also technically the period is supposed to be inside the quotes, but that's pretty trivial)

It's also illogical to put the period inside the quotes.

[Zevico]

IIRC in 1941 Baghdad was under British rule and Libya was under Italian rule. If Libyan Jews were sent to Bergen Belsen they were probably sent there by Italy's WW2 ally, guess who?

Such does not occur without the cooperation of the local population.

It should also be mentioned that from 1948 onward Israel has spent a fair amount of money aimed at presuading Jewish people around the world to immigrate to Israel.

The compulsory acquisition of Jewish property, anti-Jewish riots and killings, were of course minor factors which were in any case the Jews' fault for breathing the same air as the Arabs. This also explains the complete dearth of Jews in the United States.

[Dr Strangelove]

oops

[Dr Strangelove]

Such does not occur without the cooperation of the local population.

So you're placing the blame of the holocaust squarely on the shoulders of the Danes, Norwegians, Belgians, French, Italians, Poles, Estonians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Czecks, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Yugoslavians and Greeks?

The compulsory acquisition of Jewish property, anti-Jewish riots and killings, were of course minor factors which were in any case the Jews' fault for breathing the same air as the Arabs. This also explains the complete dearth of Jews in the United States.

Well there's Golda Meir, would you say she was driven out of the USA?

[Felch]

This also explains the complete dearth of Jews in the United States.

Dearth?

So you're placing the blame of the holocaust squarely on the shoulders of the Danes, Norwegians, Belgians, French, Italians, Poles, Estonians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Czecks, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Yugoslavians and Greeks?

There were Holocaust collaborators throughout Europe.

[Dinner]

Dumb ass.

[Zevico]

Re-"dearth".

This also explains the complete dearth of Jews in the United States.

I was being sarcastic. I suppose that too is unbecoming. I apologise.

The point I make is that emigration is not going to be high from the US compared to the Middle East. US Jewry is substantial in size precisely because the US is a democratic country. Leaving aside some famous Anglophones like Meir, or perhaps Netanyahu's parents, the Israel Anglophnoe population is in the low hundreds-of-thousands, from a country of about 7.5 million. The US Jewish population is about 6 million.

See and compare Iraq--practically no Jews at all left. Or Lebanon, Syria, etc. Jews were threatened and driven out. The fact that Israel advertised itself as a place for Jews may have encouraged emigration to Israel, but that didn't mean that all such emigration was to Israel. That simply made it a convenient destination. France is another example, with many Sephardi Jews living there after emigrating from former French colonies. The United States is another. Taken together France and the United States have about 600,000 sephardi (Middle Eastern and their descendants) Jews; Israel has about 1,100,000.

So the notion that "good avertising" was the cause of Jewish emigration from the Arab states is not convincing. Of course Sephardi Jews went to Israel and were encouraged to do so, but they were happy to go pretty much anywhere except their former homes in the Middle East. The only place where Sephardi Jews -aren't- living in anymore in large numbers is the Middle East. The estimated number of total Jews in the Middle East in 2008 according to Wikipedia (and leaving aside Israel) is 6,400. In 1948 it was anywhere between 700,000-900,000. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_...slim_countries

[Zevico]

So you're placing the blame of the holocaust squarely on the shoulders of the Danes, Norwegians, Belgians, French, Italians, Poles, Estonians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Czecks, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Yugoslavians and Greeks?

Yes. Of these groups it is fair to say that in some cases, entire societies participated in the extermination of the Jews. You've named a lot, but to give some examples--
Vichy France and its supporters were complicit in the Holocaust.
Polish society--most of it, with the exception of *some parts* of the Polish resistance, were complicit. In Poland one could witness the spectacle of Polish children fingering Jews out.
Lithuanians. They had their own SS unit. Need I say more?
Ukranians. SS unit again. One acecdote says it all--You'll see memorials for Soviet forces, Nazis and Ukrainians in Ukraine, but (until recently, thanks to an English or Irish Catholic priest whose name I forget) you won't see any for dead Jews. Better to airbrush them out of history as the Germans wanted.
Italians. Again, pro-Mussolini means pro-extermination.
The Danes were quite protective of their Jewish population and, as a society, did their best to save the Jews from extermination. Most Danish Jews survived the war.

I don't know about the others offhand.

[Dr Strangelove]

Actually Italian Jews weren't subjected to the Holocaust until the Nazis took control of Italy after the coup against Mussolini. The main point here is that Bergen Belsen wasn't run by Arabs, it was run by the Germans. Arabs had absolutely nothing to do with Bergen Belsen. If this is the quality of Israeli propaganda then we can seriously consider discounting the rest.
There are currently 5 million Palestinians living in exile abroad and a further 2 million internally displaced living in the occupied territories, so if the Arab world owes Israel $300 billion to compensate for 800,000 Sepohardic Jews, then Israel owes these displaced Palestinians around $2.6 trillion.

[Felch]

There are currently 5 million Palestinians living in exile abroad and a further 2 million internally displaced living in the occupied territories, so if the Arab world owes Israel $300 billion to compensate for 800,000 Sepohardic Jews, then Israel owes these displaced Palestinians around $2.6 trillion.

If you read the OP, you'll see that the UNRWA uses a different definition of refugee for the Arabs than it does for the Jews. If they used the actual definition of refugee instead of their bull**** propaganda definition, there'd be a lot less than 7 million Arabs who qualify. Also, the compensation is for assets, not human beings. If the Palestinians didn't have 2.6 trillion in assets, then why should they be compensated?

Finally the only reason there are any Palestinian refugees is because Arab countries started a war with Israel. Let the Arabs pay the cost of their aggression.

[Dr Strangelove]

If you read the OP, you'll see that the UNRWA uses a different definition of refugee for the Arabs than it does for the Jews. If they used the actual definition of refugee instead of their bull**** propaganda definition, there'd be a lot less than 7 million Arabs who qualify.

The reason that the UN allows the status of refugee to pass from generation to generation of Palestinians is that the descendants of the original Palestinian refugees are still stateless.

Also, the compensation is for assets, not human beings.

You're asking me to beleive that Jewish refugees from countries which at the time had average incomes of less than $100 / year had assets averaging $400,000? That's difficult to beleive.

If the Palestinians didn't have 2.6 trillion in assets, then why should they be compensated?

Before partition Palestinians owned 90% of the land designated as the new state of Israel and 95% of the land designated as belonging to Palestine, 60% of which has been annexed by Israel. Perhaps the Palestinians should just bill the Israelis for 92% of everything they own.

Finally the only reason there are any Palestinian refugees is because Arab countries started a war with Israel. Let the Arabs pay the cost of their aggression.

Two of those countries, the two which contributed the majority of the military forces, Jordan and Egypt, had agreements with Israel allowing them to annex the West Bank and Gaza. Their fight with Israel was actually over how much of Palestine they were going to be allowed to keep.

[DaShi]

Sorry Oerdin, but you are wrong. The proper phrase is "reach around is foreplay."

[Felch]

The reason that the UN allows the status of refugee to pass from generation to generation of Palestinians is that the descendants of the original Palestinian refugees are still stateless.

This is due to the cruelty and inhumanity of the Arab rulers. There's no reason why the Palestinians can't be Jordanian or Syrian or Egyptian. The reason they're stateless is because the suffering of the Palestinians has been useful for those countries.

You're asking me to beleive that Jewish refugees from countries which at the time had average incomes of less than $100 / year had assets averaging $400,000? That's difficult to beleive.

300 billion is the outside number. The OP gave a range of 16-300 billion. I don't know their methods, but I know that it's based on property and not people.

Before partition Palestinians owned 90% of the land designated as the new state of Israel and 95% of the land designated as belonging to Palestine, 60% of which has been annexed by Israel. Perhaps the Palestinians should just bill the Israelis for 92% of everything they own.

Losers don't set terms.

Two of those countries, the two which contributed the majority of the military forces, Jordan and Egypt, had agreements with Israel allowing them to annex the West Bank and Gaza. Their fight with Israel was actually over how much of Palestine they were going to be allowed to keep.

So what? They started a war, and they lost. **** 'em.

[giblets]

Losers don't set terms.

If this is a "might makes right" thing then I guess there's no point in even discussing Israel's idle demands for reparations for property that was forcibly taken 60 years ago.

[Felch]

I don't think they expect it. This is just propaganda.