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    I was just commenting to my wife how odd it is that the new Motorola Droid ads tout their phones as "self-aware" as if that's a good thing. Then I ran across this disquieting news...

    If you use an Android, BlackBerry, or Nokia smartphone then you may be at risk of being illegally wire-tapped by Carrier IQ--a provider of performance monitoring software for smartphones--according to reports.

    Earlier this month, security researcher Trevor Eckhart announced that he found software made by Carrier IQ that may be logging your every move on your mobile phone. Trevor referred to it as a "rootkit", a piece of software that hides itself while utilizing privileged access like watching your every move. Carrier IQ didn't take too kindly to this accusation, and responded aggressively with a cease-and-desist letter, and went on to deny this accusation. However, to further back his accusation, Eckhart released a video that he says shows the software in action.

    In the video, Eckhart navigates to a list of running applications on his phone, and he found that the application IQRD--made by Carrier IQ--was not shown. However, when he searched all of the applications on the device, Eckhart discovered that IQRD showed up with the option to force stop it; therefore, he determined that the app must have been running. However, when he tried to stop the application, the force stop function did absolutely nothing. Additionally, this application always runs when the device is started, according to his research.

    After connecting his HTC device to his computer, Trevor found that IQRD is secretly logging every single button that he taps on the phone--even on the touchscreen number pad. IQRD is also shown to be logging text messages.
    According to Carrier IQ (pdf)"Carrier IQ’s Mobile Intelligence platform is currently deployed with more than 150 million devices worldwide."
    Paul Ohm, a former Justice Department prosecutor and professor at the University of Colorado Law School, told Forbes that this isn't just creepy, but it's also likely grounds for a class action lawsuit, citing a federal wiretapping law.
    I mean, it's not really surprising, and I guess what's really critical is learning how all this tracked personal data is used, but...sure seems evil. I await the wisdom of the Asher.

    Last edited by -Jrabbit; December 1, 2011, 00:51.
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    I think if they follow me, there are going to be some seriously bored people.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
      I was just commenting to my wife how odd it is that the new Motorola Droid ads tout their phones as "self-aware" as if that's a good thing. Then I ran across this disquieting news...

      I mean, it's not really surprising, and I guess what's really critical is learning how all this tracked personal data is used, but...sure seems evil. I await the wisdom of the Asher.

      http://www.pcworld.com/article/24522...of_phones.html
      The iPhone does the exact same thing, but it's built in at an OS-level and not an app-level. That's how AT&T gets their dropped calls metrics, etc.

      Remember the controversy a few months back where the file iOS stored this stuff in was user accessible? So you your phone kept a publicly accessible file that logged all of your locations you've been to?
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      • #4
        Doesn't make it any less evil.

        Asher, I don't want this turning into an Apple vs Android thread. You already got rid rid of Agathon, remember?
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        • #5


          Turns out a lot more phones that we originally thought are infected with Carrier IQ, the nothing-you-can-do-about-it rootkit that has all the tinfoil hat people crowing. But not all! Here's a list of the phones that have had hard denials from their manufacturer or carrier or have been found to be clean.

          All Verizon phones
          All Nokia handsets
          All Windows Phones
          All Vodafone Phones
          All O2 Phones
          Google Nexus phones (Google Nexus One, Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus)
          Original Xoom

          We'll be adding to and updating this list as more reports, denials, or discoveries come in.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
            Doesn't make it any less evil.

            Asher, I don't want this turning into an Apple vs Android thread. You already got rid rid of Agathon, remember?
            I'm just saying it's industry standard practice. Saying it's only Android is what makes it an Apple vs Android thread.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Asher View Post
              I'm just saying it's industry standard practice. Saying it's only Android is what makes it an Apple vs Android thread.
              Did I say that? No.

              As you're so quick to point out to others, reading is a skill.
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              • #8
                He is saying the implication is there.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
                  Did I say that? No.

                  As you're so quick to point out to others, reading is a skill.
                  I'm pretty sure the title of this thread clearly implicates Android.

                  If this thread was titled "Cellphone industry WTF?!?!?!!" or "Wireless carriers WTF?!?!?!" you'd have a point.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Asher View Post
                    I'm pretty sure the title of this thread clearly implicates Android.

                    If this thread was titled "Cellphone industry WTF?!?!?!!" or "Wireless carriers WTF?!?!?!" you'd have a point.
                    Bull.

                    I posted a story. A story about Android. WTF else was the thread title supposed to say?
                    I never mentioned Apple. Neither does the article I posted.

                    I happen to believe that this feature of smartphones is equally disturbing in both platforms. But Apple was exposed long ago. This was new information that I thought was of interest.

                    The fact that both platforms are (apparently) equally evil is a separate discussion.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
                      I never mentioned Apple. Neither does the article I posted.
                      Isn't that his point?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
                        Bull.

                        I posted a story. A story about Android. WTF else was the thread title supposed to say?
                        I never mentioned Apple. Neither does the article I posted.

                        I happen to believe that this feature of smartphones is equally disturbing in both platforms. But Apple was exposed long ago. This was new information that I thought was of interest.

                        The fact that both platforms are (apparently) equally evil is a separate discussion.
                        No, it's the only discussion. This is an industry practice and should be discussed as such. It affects Apple, Microsoft, Google, HP/Palm, RIM, Samsung...every single mobile OS maker. This is not an Android issue, despite the proclamations by ignorant journalists.
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                        • #13
                          Before reading this story, I was unaware that this practice extended beyond Apple.

                          If it was common knowledge among geeks that everyone does it, well, mea culpa. But it was news to me and, presumably, others.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
                            Before reading this story, I was unaware that this practice extended beyond Apple.
                            It's the fact that you didn't mention that this also affects Apple which is why it's viewed as an Apple vs Android thread.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                            • #15
                              While we're on the general topic, why does Google maps need to make phone calls? Also, wtf is a near-field reader, and why would Google maps want to interact with one?
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