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  • #16
    I'm not necessarily talking about France. There is the idea, based on our history, that the US aligns itself with dictators in North Africa & Middle East at the expense of the people.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by DaShi View Post
      Exactly, as Xex says, this "analysis" is worthless. Why did you post it?
      Back when William F Buckley was alive and acting editor National Review was actually semi good. Yes, it was highly opinionated & obviously slanted but it was at least factually based and it would acknowledge facts which hadn't jived with the narrative they had constructed. Over the last 20 years the magazine has gone completely bonkers and turned into a magazine by raving loons for raving loons and anyone who isn't on the crazy bus isn't welcome. Just look at the dog **** National Review put out in the run up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq or how they really, honestly, truly (according to them) believed that health care reform contained secret death panels to kill grandma. About the only recent right wing conspiracy theory they haven't endorsed is that Obama is a secret Muslim terrorist sleeper agent because they sure as **** jumped on the birther bandwagon.

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      • #18
        Does the National Review have non-Jewish writers on the Middle East? Zevico always posts pieces by Barry Rubin, John Rosenthal, Martin Kramer, and other Jewish writers. Not saying the ethnicity of the author is necessarily relevant but what gives with the Jewish representation on supposed analysis of Islamic countries?

        Okay, I just checked. Zevico posted an article from Khaled Abu Toameh one time, but he's apparently the Palestinian Uncle Tom.
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        • #19
          Zev, you are going about this the wrong way. The real question about the Libyan adventure IMO is why should a country (in this case the US) engage in armed conflict when it openly acknowledges no compelling interest is at risk? Who really cared what type of government Libya had?
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          • #20
            Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
            Zev, you are going about this the wrong way. The real question about the Libyan adventure IMO is why should a country (in this case the US) engage in armed conflict when it openly acknowledges no compelling interest is at risk? Who really cared what type of government Libya had?
            Keeping oil flowing on internation markets isn't a compelling interest? Keeping allies (like France and Italy) happy by stemming the flood of refugees isn't in our interest? This seems like another stupid DinoDoc claim.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
              Keeping oil flowing on internation markets isn't a compelling interest?
              That wasn't at risk.
              Keeping allies (like France and Italy) happy by stemming the flood of refugees isn't in our interest?
              Participating in the Grand Adventures of allies where the interests of the US don't intersect is a waste of national treasure and weaponry. Hell look at the number of allies that didn't participate in Iraq.
              This seems like another stupid DinoDoc claim.
              Actually it's the claim of Sec. Gates who said no vital interests of the US were at risk in the conflict.
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              • #22
                Oerdin doesn't seem to understand that the purpose of the National Review is to be slanted. If it weren't slanted, it would be pointless. It's an opinion magazine.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  If it weren't slanted, it would be pointless.
                  ****ing racist.
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                  • #24
                    He said he LIKES slants...which, come to think of it, are an important part of "yellow journalism." I wonder if that's just a coincidence? I'll assume not, since it's more interesting that way.
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                    • #25
                      Asians hate positive racism.
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                      • #26
                        Thankfully I can take your word for it, since you people are all alike
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                        • #27
                          Dashi is asian? Really?

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                          • #28
                            Actually, I'm black, like all the cool people here.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                              Zev, you are going about this the wrong way. The real question about the Libyan adventure IMO is why should a country (in this case the US) engage in armed conflict when it openly acknowledges no compelling interest is at risk? Who really cared what type of government Libya had?
                              You make a good point.
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