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  • #31
    Which then brings us to the next question: Would you stay to live there for a prolongued period of time ?

    Even though i know the risks would be minimal I would pack up and leave.
    "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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    • #32
      So would most people, which appears to be turning Chernobyl into the world's most ironic nature preserve.
      No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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      • #33
        A perfect hideout for Decepticons. Seriously, how was that movie any different from the first two? And why is it that every time a human died, ten more showed up? In an area that was supposedly really hard to get in to. Was this supposed to be symbolism that people are like roaches to giant transforming robots?
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        • #34
          Originally posted by dannubis View Post
          Which then brings us to the next question: Would you stay to live there for a prolongued period of time ?

          Even though i know the risks would be minimal I would pack up and leave.
          Me personally. I am old enough I wouldn't care. As an adult the risks are minimal and might actually be beneficial. So if it were just me I would stay.

          As a parent with small children developing, it raises completely different issues. The bigger issue with the story was that is dealt with school children, an age group most at risk. That being said the levels were very low. I would have no problem visting with my kids for a period of time (week or so) but would not look to relocate and have my kids raised there. Moving away because of it, probably not considering I was raised in areas that were routinely dosed with naturally occurring radon concentrations exceeding these figures. However monitoring the situation to ensure ground water is OK and or any detectable hot spots should be a priority.
          "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

          “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
            Beats me. The fact that radiation is measurable and that one can truthfully claim increased values, does not mean the values pose any significant threat. I suppose people are in a tizzy due to lack of knowledge and fear mongering.

            Moreover as has been explained time and again on these boards the two prevailing schools of thought with respect to radiation exposure is a linear threshold mode and an adapative model. The linear threshold model assume no level of radiation as inconseqeuntial and that all radiation results in cellular damage ultimately resulting in increased chances of cancers. This by far and awayis the most conservative estimate and in todays risk averse society (read litigious society) is the normal means to look at radiation. However, it also likely not reflective of reality. A number of papers have been issued that detail that low levels of radiation may in fact be beneficial as the immune response system becomes more agressive in these situations and more capable of dealing with immunological threats including carcinogenic effects. Given the effects are fairly unprovable and likely difficulat to defend in court the decision to suggest people willingly expose themselves to low levels of radiation for health benefits is understandably not taken up as policy as the legal liabilities are obvious.

            Both the adaptive and linear threshold models converge at higher levels of dosage wherein high dosage does translate into increased risks for cellular damage and/or DNA mutations, but at the levels described above the health threats are either exceedingly small, or zero (or as some describe actually a boon).
            To become immune to deadly radiation would be a good thing
            TY for the info and your patience.
            Last edited by Docfeelgood; October 21, 2011, 16:18.

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            • #36
              dfg, be afraid
              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

              Steven Weinberg

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
                Me personally. I am old enough I wouldn't care. As an adult the risks are minimal and might actually be beneficial. So if it were just me I would stay.

                As a parent with small children developing, it raises completely different issues. The bigger issue with the story was that is dealt with school children, an age group most at risk. That being said the levels were very low. I would have no problem visting with my kids for a period of time (week or so) but would not look to relocate and have my kids raised there. Moving away because of it, probably not considering I was raised in areas that were routinely dosed with naturally occurring radon concentrations exceeding these figures. However monitoring the situation to ensure ground water is OK and or any detectable hot spots should be a priority.
                Because of the ignorance with fear of radiation may be the tissy for finding the radiation at the school.
                Remember, they were bombed with nukes and grew up watching Godzilla on tv.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                  dfg, be afraid
                  But your body will excrete what is surplus.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
                    So would most people, which appears to be turning Chernobyl into the world's most ironic nature preserve.
                    I liked Chernobyl best when it was still underground.

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                    "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                    • #40
                      Question? Is there a difference in kinds radiation? say from plutonium and potassium?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Docfeelgood View Post
                        Question? Is there a difference in kinds radiation? say from plutonium and potassium?
                        Short answer: Yes.

                        Slightly less short answer: There are actually a couple different ways to categorize radiation. Ionizing or non-ionizing; alpha, beta, or gamma; wavelength; etc.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
                          Short answer: Yes.

                          Slightly less short answer: There are actually a couple different ways to categorize radiation. Ionizing or non-ionizing; alpha, beta, or gamma; wavelength; etc.
                          TY

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                          • #43
                            Many different particles are emitted from the decay of the unstable isotopes. Accompanying most of these decays though is some high energy photon (read gamma radiation) as the new isotope's nucleus attempts to achieve a lower and more stable energy state.

                            Gamma is typically a high penetration radiation. Thus much shielding is required to attentuate the radiation. In nuke plants although everything is considerd this is the primary radiation of concern.

                            Some of the particles such as the beta radiation (basically a electron or positron) have medium penetration capability. Shielding provides an effective means to limit dosages.

                            While alpha particles (essentially a helium nucleus) have very little penetration capability and as such are realistically only of major concern is ingested or inhaled. (As an example the famed poisoning of Alexander Litvenko)
                            "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                            “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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