Islam a religion of peace.

[Al B. Sure!]

Show me in the Torah where it says to kill muslams.

Not Muslims because this is pre-Mohammed, but...

Deuteronomy, chapter 7

1: "When the LORD your God brings you into the land which you are entering to take possession of it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Gir'ga****es, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Per'izzites, the Hivites, and the Jeb'usites, seven nations greater and mightier than yourselves,
2: and when the LORD your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them.
3: You shall not make marriages with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons.
4: For they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods; then the anger of the LORD would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly.
5: But thus shall you deal with them: you shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and hew down their Ashe'rim, and burn their graven images with fire.
6: "For you are a people holy to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for his own possession, out of all the peoples that are on the face of the earth.
16: And you shall destroy all the peoples that the LORD your God will give over to you, your eye shall not pity them; neither shall you serve their gods, for that would be a snare to you.

Deuteronomy, chapter 20

16: But in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God gives you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes,
17: but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Per'izzites, the Hivites and the Jeb'usites, as the LORD your God has commanded;
18: that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices which they have done in the service of their gods, and so to sin against the LORD your God.

Joshua, chapter 11

10: And Joshua turned back at that time, and took Hazor, and smote its king with the sword; for Hazor formerly was the head of all those kingdoms.
11: And they put to the sword all who were in it, utterly destroying them; there was none left that breathed, and he burned Hazor with fire.
12: And all the cities of those kings, and all their kings, Joshua took, and smote them with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them, as Moses the servant of the LORD had commanded.
13: But none of the cities that stood on mounds did Israel burn, except Hazor only; that Joshua burned.
14: And all the spoil of these cities and the cattle, the people of Israel took for their booty; but every man they smote with the edge of the sword, until they had destroyed them, and they did not leave any that breathed.

[Asher]

Show me in the Torah where it says to kill muslams.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/safed-chief-rabbi-calls-on-state-to-exact-revenge-against-arabs-1.242746

Safed chief rabbi calls on state to exact 'revenge' against Arabs
Right group urges censure of Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu for calls to 'hang children of Mercaz Harav gunman from tree.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Emunim_Underground#_note-Gershom

The Jewish Underground was a militant organization formed by prominent members of the Israeli political movement Gush Emunim that existed from 1979 to 1984. The group's highest profile plot was to destroy the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem.

In 1980, the Jewish Underground carried out a series of car bomb attacks against Palestinian officials. As a result of these attacks, Bassam Shakaa, the mayor of Nablus lost both of his legs and Karim Khalaf, the mayor of Ramallah lost one of his legs.[1][2] On hearing the news, co-founder of Gush Emunim, rabbi Haim Drukman, is said to have exclaimed, citing the Book of Deborah, 'Thus may all Israel's enemies perish!'[3]

In 1983, three of its members were involved in a retaliation attack following the murder of Aharon Gross, a yeshivah student in Hebron.[4] In broad daylight, two men entered the Islamic College of Hebron, spraying bullets and tossing a grenade. They murdered three students and wounded thirty-three.[5]

On 27 April 1984, Shin Bet agents arrested 15 people with ties to Gush Emunim. The suspects were taken into custody immediately after placing bombs under six Arab-owned buses in Jerusalem. The arrests followed an extensive two year investigation led by the head of the Serious Crimes Division and employing ninety policemen. The bombs were set to detonate on Friday afternoon as Muslim worshipers returned home from celebrating Isra and Mi'raj. A week later security forces raided the settlement of Kiryat Arba, finding a cache of stolen regional defense program weapons and explosives linked to the bomb plot.

A string of arrests followed with police bringing in a number of settlement and political leaders, including future Knesset member Eliezer Waldman and Rabbi Moshe Levinger. Twenty-five of the arrested Gush Emunim members were tried on a host of charges relating to the plot to destroy the Dome of the Rock, the 1983 attack on the Islamic College, the attempted assassination of West Bank mayors, the aborted bus attacks and a few other incidents.[6] Three of the men, Menachem Livni, Shaul Nir and Uzi Sharbav, were sentenced to life in prison for their roles in the Islamic College attack.

Their sentences were controversially commuted three times by then President Chaim Herzog and they were released after serving less than seven years. On their 1990 release the three were hailed as "heroes" by leaders of the Gush Emunim movement.[1] The Jewish Underground caused a rift in Gush Emunim. The existence of a violent underground had, until the mass arrests, been dismissed by most Gush Emunim members as falsehood circulated by Peace Now to discredit the movement. The majority condemned the Underground's unprovoked killing of innocent civilians and contempt for secular law.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo-Haifa_train_bombings_1948

During the 1948 war, on February 29 and again on March 31, the military coaches of the Cairo-Haifa train were mined by the Jewish underground group Lehi.

On February 29, the Lehi mined the train north of Rehovot, killing 28 British soldiers and wounding 35. No civilians were hurt. One or more bombs laid on the track were detonated from a nearby orange grove. Lehi took credit for the bombing of the British train as revenge for the Ben Yehuda Street Bombing in Jerusalem. The train was the normal daily passenger express to which four military coaches had been attached.[1]

On March 31, the train was mined again near Binyamina, a Jewish settlement in the neighborhood of Caesarea, killing 40 persons and wounding 60. The casualties were all civilians, mostly Arabs. Although there were some soldiers on the train, none were injured. The Palestine Post and the New York Times attributed the attack to Lehi.[2][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte#Assassination

Bernadotte was assassinated on Friday 17 September 1948 by members of the Jewish nationalist Zionist group Lehi (commonly known as the Stern Gang or Stern Group).

As for the Torah itself, look up what it says about Canaan.

[Asher]

Asher now is willing to espouse conspiracy theories in his anti-israel threadjacks.

Uh, what conspiracy theory?

You have heard of the USS Liberty, no? This isn't a conspiracy theory...it's a fact that Israel attacked it.

[Hauldren Collider]

It is well established that you can use a religious document to justify almost anything. What the Torah, Bible and Koran actually say is utterly irrelevant to deciding whether the affiliated religions are generally peaceful or not.

[Hauldren Collider]

Uh, what conspiracy theory?

You have heard of the USS Liberty, no? This isn't a conspiracy theory...it's a fact that Israel attacked it.

Yes, I've heard of it, and the story from both the US and Israel is that it was a friendly fire incident. So even bringing it up in a thread about Israel implies that you believe in one of the conspiracy theories surrounding it.

[Docfeelgood]

the Hittites, the Gir'ga****es, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Per'izzites, the Hivites, and the Jeb'usites,

These people are really hurting today.

[Asher]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_violence

Some critics of religion such as Jack Nelson-Pallmeyer argue that all monotheistic religions are inherently violent. For example, Nelson-Pallmeyer writes that "Judaism, Christianity and Islam will continue to contribute to the destruction of the world until and unless each challenges violence in "sacred texts" and until each affirms nonviolent power of God".[7]

Bruce Feiler writes that "Jews and Christians who smugly console themselves that Islam is the only violent religion are willfully ignoring their past. Nowhere is the struggle between faith and violence described more vividly, and with more stomach-turning details of ruthlessness, than in the Hebrew Bible".[8] Similarly, Burggraeve and Vervenne describe the Old Testament as full of violence and evidence of both a violent society and a violent god. They write that, "(i)n numerous Old Testament texts the power and glory of Israel's God is described in the language of violence." They assert that more than one thousand passages refer to YHWH as acting violently or supporting the violence of humans and that more than one hundred passages involve divine commands to kill humans.[9]

Some Christian churches and theologians argue that Judaism is a violent religion and the God of Israel as a violent God. Reuven Firestone asserts that these assertions are usually made in the context of claims that Christianity is a religion of peace and that the God of Christianity is one that expresses only love.[10] However, some scholars such as Deborah Weissman readily acknowledge that "normative Judaism is not pacifist" and that "violence is condoned in the service of self-defense."[11] Although Judaism condones the use of violence in certain cases, J. Patout Burns asserts that Jewish tradition clearly posits the principle of minimization of violence. This principle can be stated as "(wherever) Jewish law allows violence to keep an evil from occurring, it mandates that the minimal amount of violence be used to accomplish one's goal."[12]

The Tanakh (Jewish Bible) contains commandments that require the Israelites to exterminate seven Canaanite nations, and describes several wars of extermination that annihilated entire cities or groups of peoples.

Wars of extermination are of historical interest only, and do not serve as a model within Judaism.[15] A formal declaration that the “seven nations” are no longer identifiable was made by Joshua ben Hananiah, around the year 100 CE.[15]

Extermination is described in several of Judaism's biblical commandments, known as the 613 Mitzvot:[21]

Not to keep alive any individual of the seven Canaanite nations (Deut. 20:16)
To exterminate the seven Canaanite nations from the land of Israel (Deut. 20:17)
Always to remember what Amalek did (Deut. 25:17)
That the evil done to us by Amalek shall not be forgotten (Deut. 25:19)
To destroy the seed of Amalek (Deut. 25:19)

The extent of extermination is described in the commandment Deut 20:16-18 which orders the Israelites to "not leave alive anything that breathes… completely destroy them …".[22] Several scholars have characterized the exterminations as genocide.

[Asher]

It is well established that you can use a religious document to justify almost anything. What the Torah, Bible and Koran actually say is utterly irrelevant to deciding whether the affiliated religions are generally peaceful or not.

Islam is generally peaceful as a religion.

In fact, the only real bully at my school was Jewish. The Islamic kids were hardcore academics.

[Al B. Sure!]

These people are really hurting today.

No because the Jews exterminated them because their God told them to.

[Asher]

Yes, I've heard of it, and the story from both the US and Israel is that it was a friendly fire incident. So even bringing it up in a thread about Israel implies that you believe in one of the conspiracy theories surrounding it.

No, but it does imply you're an idiot. I've not insinuated anything about conspiracy theories.

[Asher]

I do find it funny you call it a simple "friendly fire" incident. IIRC it was a sustained attack. Friendly fire for an extended period of time with visual contact? That speaks volumes about the ineptitude of the Israeli servicemen if it was not intentional. Which is it?

[Docfeelgood]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/safed-ch...arabs-1.242746

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gush_Emunim_Underground#_note-Gershom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo-Haifa_train_bombings_1948

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte#Assassination

As for the Torah itself, look up what it says about Canaan.

"Eye for an eye"

[Asher]

As HC says, all religions are merely excuses for violence and discrimination.

[Docfeelgood]

No because the Jews exterminated them because their God told them to.

"Hakuna matata".

[Docfeelgood]

I do find it funny you call it a simple "friendly fire" incident. IIRC it was a sustained attack. Friendly fire for an extended period of time with visual contact? That speaks volumes about the ineptitude of the Israeli servicemen if it was not intentional. Which is it?

L.B.J. gave to order.