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    Supposing you were to contend with an attack from one of two dinosaur species: Tyrannosaurus Rex or Deinonychus Antirrhopus. Which would you prefer to face? Note that this is a fairly open-ended question; you might be attacked in the city, the suburbs or the wilderness, while armed or unarmed, by one or more dinosaurs--for fairness' sake, imagine a number of deinonychuses (deinonychi?) equal in mass to the number of rexes.

    For the sake of the present discussion, assume each rex weighs about 5 metric tons and has a top speed a little under 25 mph, which is about as fast as a pretty damned quick human being. However, they cannot speed up, slow down, or turn with any speed. They have reasonable binocular vision, an excellent sense of smell, and incredibly powerful jaws. Assume a sense of hearing about equal to a human's and cognitive abilities around the level of a lion or other apex predator. Finally, bear in mind that their bone structure is extremely robust and even the heaviest bullet is unlikely to break a bone.

    Deinonychus is relatively unknown by name, but it's basically the dinosaur called a "velociraptor" in Jurassic Park. Actual velociraptors were about the six feet long, but half of that was tail. The actual dinosaur wasn't much bigger than a cat and would be reduced to clawing your shins. Anyway, deinonychus was about eleven feet long (again including tail), 2' at the hip, and 160 pounds. Also (not that it's relevant) it was almost certainly feathered, not scaled. JP exaggerated their intelligence considerably; given their brain size, they're unlikely to have been smart enough to open doors, which they lack the manual dexterity for anyway. Probably they weren't abysmally stupid either, though. The actual speed of a deinonychus (screw it, I'm just going to call it a "raptor" from now on for ease of typing) is a matter of debate, but it's pretty agile and very likely hunts in packs. Also, it has a stronger bite than a hyena's, and a vicious claw on each hind leg.

    My thoughts: raptors are far more dangerous in wide-open spaces, where they can circle around and use their numbers and there are no effective barriers to hide behind. Rex is less of a threat if you can see him coming, and his speed is less impressive when there's room to dodge. In an urban or suburban environment, rex takes the advantage due to the more cramped conditions of a street. Also, while almost any wall or even a car could substantially slow down raptors, a POed rex would be able to bash through anything short of solid brick. I'm not sure if a rex even has a weak spot, given its bone mass. Ideally, I'd aim for the upper leg, which is a pretty big target and would make it harder to run. However, when the rex is charging you its leg would be basically impossible to hit. Of course this depends on what kind of gun you've got, and so on. Raptors, by comparison, would go down from a single shot above, say, .22 caliber. However, they come in pretty big groups...really, there's a lot to consider here, so let the discussion begin.
    18
    T. Rex
    44.44%
    8
    Deinonychus
    22.22%
    4
    Too much depends on circumstances
    22.22%
    4
    I can't decide/equally scary
    0.00%
    0
    Bananaraptor
    11.11%
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    I thought T Rex was a scavenger?

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    • #3
      Wiki says there's a fair amount of controversy among paleontologists, but the general consensus is that he did a little of both.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by gribbler View Post
        I thought T Rex was a scavenger?
        Hey! just like Drake!

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        • #5
          Finally, bear in mind that their bone structure is extremely robust and even the heaviest bullet is unlikely to break a bone.
          Damn right, them bones are made of stone yo

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Elok View Post
            Supposing you were to contend with an attack from one of two dinosaur species: Tyrannosaurus Rex or Deinonychus Antirrhopus. Which would you prefer to face? Note that this is a fairly open-ended question; you might be attacked in the city, the suburbs or the wilderness, while armed or unarmed, by one or more dinosaurs--for fairness' sake, imagine a number of deinonychuses (deinonychi?) equal in mass to the number of rexes.

            For the sake of the present discussion, assume each rex weighs about 5 metric tons and has a top speed a little under 25 mph, which is about as fast as a pretty damned quick human being. However, they cannot speed up, slow down, or turn with any speed. They have reasonable binocular vision, an excellent sense of smell, and incredibly powerful jaws. Assume a sense of hearing about equal to a human's and cognitive abilities around the level of a lion or other apex predator. Finally, bear in mind that their bone structure is extremely robust and even the heaviest bullet is unlikely to break a bone.

            Deinonychus is relatively unknown by name, but it's basically the dinosaur called a "velociraptor" in Jurassic Park. Actual velociraptors were about the six feet long, but half of that was tail. The actual dinosaur wasn't much bigger than a cat and would be reduced to clawing your shins. Anyway, deinonychus was about eleven feet long (again including tail), 2' at the hip, and 160 pounds. Also (not that it's relevant) it was almost certainly feathered, not scaled. JP exaggerated their intelligence considerably; given their brain size, they're unlikely to have been smart enough to open doors, which they lack the manual dexterity for anyway. Probably they weren't abysmally stupid either, though. The actual speed of a deinonychus (screw it, I'm just going to call it a "raptor" from now on for ease of typing) is a matter of debate, but it's pretty agile and very likely hunts in packs. Also, it has a stronger bite than a hyena's, and a vicious claw on each hind leg.

            My thoughts: raptors are far more dangerous in wide-open spaces, where they can circle around and use their numbers and there are no effective barriers to hide behind. Rex is less of a threat if you can see him coming, and his speed is less impressive when there's room to dodge. In an urban or suburban environment, rex takes the advantage due to the more cramped conditions of a street. Also, while almost any wall or even a car could substantially slow down raptors, a POed rex would be able to bash through anything short of solid brick. I'm not sure if a rex even has a weak spot, given its bone mass. Ideally, I'd aim for the upper leg, which is a pretty big target and would make it harder to run. However, when the rex is charging you its leg would be basically impossible to hit. Of course this depends on what kind of gun you've got, and so on. Raptors, by comparison, would go down from a single shot above, say, .22 caliber. However, they come in pretty big groups...really, there's a lot to consider here, so let the discussion begin.
            Look, if there are dinosaurs about then anybody with any sense has already procured himself some serious weaponry. I'm talking rpgs and vehicle mounted 50 cals at the least. With this kit, I'd rather face the trex. It's unlikely to sneak up on me, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't last long in the face of that firepower.
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            • #7
              T-Rex. In a heartbeat.

              Did you even watch Jurassic Park?

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              • #8
                I would rather face the t rex because he is bigger and slower. I would be shooting at him with a shotgun, laughing and saying, eat steel *****
                I need a foot massage

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                • #9
                  Thanks, I'll take 1500 rounds a minute of 800 grams at a kilometer a second over some ****ty buckshot any day of the week.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
                    T-Rex. In a heartbeat.

                    Did you even watch Jurassic Park?
                    Yes, but like I said, certain details weren't entirely accurate; size, speed and intellect were exaggerated, for example. This is a scientifically respectable discussion about modern humans fighting long-extinct animals, TYVM.
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                    • #11
                      KH, you're assuming that there are enough RPGs and heavy machine guns to go around. This does not necessarily apply in a...dinosaur apocalypse scenario. Under such circumstances, the price of massive firepower will go up substantially, and in a densely populated, already pricey neighborhood like NYC, it's unlikely that your income would buy enough (assuming no gov't. regulation of dinocidal implements). And if you're planning to procure them without money by one means or another...there are going to be a number of people ahead of you.

                      Also, *somebody* has to be the poor bugger who discovers the dinos are back. Maybe the dinos suddenly reincarnated at your place of work because they felt it was a good spot for aggressive and hyper-dominant animals to be.
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                      • #12
                        When I was a kid I used to have a recurring nightmare about being chased by a T-rex. I feel that that would have prepared me for such a situation. That and maybe I've shared too much.
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                        • #13
                          Can I hop in my car, drive down to Quantico, and see if any Marines want to go dinosaur hunting?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                            Look, if there are dinosaurs about then anybody with any sense has already procured himself some serious weaponry. I'm talking rpgs and vehicle mounted 50 cals at the least. With this kit, I'd rather face the trex. It's unlikely to sneak up on me, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't last long in the face of that firepower.


                            Right now, considering I don't have an M2 or any other heavy weapons, I'm more comfortable facing the Deinonychus. Assuming that the existence of dinosaurs would restore our God-given right to autocannons, I'd favor the M242. With that, even large game like the T-Rex would be easy to handle.
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                            • #15
                              Felch, you could probably take down just about anything with a 30-06 right?
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