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  • #1

    Why net neutrality matters

    This certainly didn't take long.

    In Canada, which does not currently have net neutrality and virtually every ISP has stringent and unrealistic data caps with obscene overage charges, the largest cable ISP dropped their bandwidth cap the day Netflix announced its Canada service.

    Now another Canadian cable co, which has bandwidth caps and obscene overage charges, has announced a Netflix competitor. The catch? Their service won't count towards your paltry bandwidth cap, while Netflix's will. Of course, the service sucks. It's over twice the price with 139 titles, but Netflix isn't very practical with the low caps anyway, so it's not like you have much choice.

    “Very bold or very dumb”: data caps don’t apply to ISP’s own movie service (updated)
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/very-bold-or-very-dumb-data-caps-dont-apply-to-isps-own-movie-service.ars?comments=1#comments-bar
    Major Canadian ISP Shaw Communications has rolled out a plan to offer …


    Expect to see all kinds of **** like this unless the US passes net neutrality legislation...
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    As far as I know, Time Warner hasn't imposed any restrictions on me.
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    • #3
      I'm afraid Republicans will block any and all attempts at a real net neutrality law in the US. To hear Fox News say it any net neutrality law would be "big government" attempting to censor private business. They're so corrupt people should be hanged.
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      • #4
        Don't we have competition laws for a reason? How does "net neutrality" differ and if it does, why should it?
        "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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        • #5
          We're not going to get net neutrality legislation. I guess we're ****ed.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Zevico View Post
            Don't we have competition laws for a reason? How does "net neutrality" differ and if it does, why should it?
            Free market, damnit.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
              As far as I know, Time Warner hasn't imposed any restrictions on me.
              Me either, but I don't get the NFL network and I'm sure caps will come.

              ACK!
              Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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              • #8
                I reposted this, with Asher's permission, on another site and loads of right wingers keep saying "you have to pay for the band width you use, you commie!" Talk about missing the forest for the trees and not understanding what net neutrality is all about. Even with net neutrality you can charge people for use of bandwidth but what net neutrality would stop is a access provider blocking competing services/websites or pricing the competition out of the market via unfair toll charges as is what is happening here. I hope you all have lube people because ISPs intend to do you up the backside with no lube.
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                • #9
                  These all may be commendable goals, but what I'm looking for is a description of the legislative scheme involved..
                  "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                  • #10
                    Essentially it just says all data has to be treated the same and that providers can't throttle or block certain sites (which they love to do in order "encourage" people to use their services instead of competing services or sites).
                    Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                      Essentially it just says all data has to be treated the same and that providers can't throttle or block certain sites (which they love to do in order "encourage" people to use their services instead of competing services or sites).
                      And this is bad because...people can't really download movies anymore?
                      The premise of the 'free market' relies on competitors. If one competitor introduces this kind of behaviour, another takes the opposite route to gain custom. Why doesn't this work in this instance?
                      "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                      • #12
                        because it's much more profitable for the companies to do this kind of thing, so they all do it...
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                          because it's much more profitable for the companies to do this kind of thing, so they all do it...
                          But if one company wants to make a ton of profits, it will be the sole company that DOESN'T do it and all the people that care about it will flock to that company. If not enough people care, then raising prices was the right thing to do.
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                          • #14
                            I think it is odds on that the money will be screwing up the net further... but I guess this is all part of the evolution into something better eventually... a pity that Canadians are leading all this, and ironic that we have to hope the US out of all countries will bring some sort of sense to the whole issue.
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                            • #15
                              hc, as i'm sure asher will explain far better than me, it doesn't work like that.

                              consumers want to use a high quality service (netfix). the ISPs have put up barriers to prevent this in the form of bandwidth caps and big charges for exceeding those. one ISP has now introduced an (inferior quality) service which competes with netfix, but which is exempt from the bandwidth caps. people are obviously going to use the second one, but for not reasons of quality. so just to recap, consumer's will choose the inferior service and therefore make the ISP more money. it's a nice little racket and no ISP is going to look this gift horse in the mouth. the losers here are consumers.
                              Last edited by C0ckney; July 16, 2011, 14:41.
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