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I admit I skimmed the articles only because I'm a lazy bastard. What I got was that they described what was said before the vote by Eu officials etc. But this is one thing - it is another to say this was the primary reason for the result. I could easily assume a main reason was that they got concessions (abortion) before the second vote or that they just re-considered the pros and cons, or that they were all drunk.
I really think that continually pushing the focus of this on why the Irish voted a different way is a diversion from the real point here - which is why there is a replay in the first place. If your country has an election and the people vote the government out, but the government refuses to go and says it will continue to hold new elections until it wins, I would seriously hope that you would see a major problem with this.
Yet when the EU refuses to accept the result of a vote this is apparently ok.
Well, how often do I have to post that I can see the prob with holding the second vote so closely. I don't see a prob with asking for another decision in general though - otherwise you could never change stuff decided once, but that only as an aside.
Yet your analogy does not work - they did not implement Lisbon when the vote was no. They called for another vote, which was yes. And again, I can see the basic trouble with this.
As for the "diversion", I didn't start the whole propaganda/blackmail line.
Would it be unacceptable for a legislature to vote on a bill more than once?
would you find it acceptable if a number of changes were proposed to the US constitution, and votes on the changes were only held in a handful of states and following a rejection of the proposals by the people of some of these states, the government decided to alter the name and a couple of words, while keeping the substance the same and then have a vote on the 'new' proposals in just one state, and when the people of the that state voted no, the government decided to make them vote again until they got a yes vote.
that's a good analogy for what happened in europe.
would that be acceptable to you? would you consider such a move democratic or legitimate?
"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
would you find it acceptable if a number of changes were proposed to the US constitution, and votes on the changes were only held in a handful of states and following a rejection of the proposals by the people of some of these states, the government decided to alter the name and a couple of words, while keeping the substance the same and then have a vote on the 'new' proposals in just one state, and when the people of the that state voted no, the government decided to make them vote again until they got a yes vote.
that's a good analogy for what happened in europe.
would that be acceptable to you? would you consider such a move democratic or legitimate?
I thought you were declaring that it was undemocratic to vote on something more than once. Only holding a vote in a few states or something like that would be a different issue.
i didn't support the european constitution/lisbon treaty, but i wouldn't have a problem if they had been introduced with popular support. a 'yes' vote in every country or a europe wide vote with a majority voting 'yes'. we didn't have that. we didn't have anything like that. we had deception, subterfuge, the usual playing down of the importance of the whole thing, and in ireland's case bullying and abuse.
and i don't just blame the EU, i blame my own and other national governments as well.
"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
Well, I agree certainly there. But if the sceptics are right the thing breaks apart sooner or later anyway. I'd prefer to have it reformed into something that works just better (on several levels), but given its current state I have to admit right now there's not sooo much reason for optimism.
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