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    ****ing Euro freeloaders.

    Nato faces 'dim future', warns Pentagon chief
    The US defence secretary, Robert Gates, has delivered a blistering attack on European defence complacency, declaring that Nato has become a "two-tiered" alliance of those willing to wage war and those only interested in "talking" and peacekeeping.

    In his bluntest warning in nearly five years as Pentagon head under two US presidents, Gates announced that Washington's fading commitment to European security could spell the death of the 60-year-old alliance.

    In a valedictory speech in Brussels three weeks before retiring as Pentagon chief, Gates bristled with exasperation and contempt for European defence spending cuts, inefficiencies and botched planning, and read the riot act to an elite European audience.

    Nato faced a "dim, if not dismal" future, consigned to "collective military irrelevance", Gates argued, warning for the first time that Nato was living on borrowed time and that a new young generation of US leaders could abandon the key pillar of transatlantic security established in 1949.

    "If current trends in the decline of European defence capabilities are not halted and reversed, future US political leaders – those for whom the cold war was not the formative experience that it was for me – may not consider the return on America's investment in Nato worth the cost."

    He attacked Europe's conduct of the bombing campaign against Gaddafi in Libya, told the Europeans to forget any notions of pulling their troops out of Afghanistan in a piecemeal manner, and said that the big new factor raising questions about Nato's survival was the "political and economic environment in the United States".

    "The mightiest military alliance in history is only 11 weeks into an operation against a poorly armed regime in a sparsely populated country," Gates said of the Anglo-French led campaign in Libya. "Yet many allies are beginning to run short of munitions, requiring the US, once more, to make up the difference."

    The US share of Nato military spending had soared to 75%, much more than during the cold war heyday when Washington maintained hundreds of thousands of US troops across Europe. The US taxpayer would not stand for it much longer – the US Congress and "the American body politic writ large" would rebel against spending "increasingly precious funds on behalf of nations apparently willing and eager for American taxpayers to assume the growing security burden left by reductions in European defence budgets".

    Nato had degenerated into an alliance "between those willing and able to pay the price and bear the burdens of commitments, and those who enjoy the benefits of Nato membership but don't want to share the risks and the costs", Gates fumed.

    Noting that he was 20 years older than President Barack Obama, Gates said that Washington's security guarantees to Europe, embodied in the Nato alliance, were fading because of generational change.

    "I am the last senior leader in the US government who is a product of the cold war," said the former head of the CIA. His peers' "emotional and historical attachment" to Nato was "ageing out".

    "You have a lot of new members of Congress who are roughly old enough to be my children or grandchildren."

    Generational change, economic hardship and European refusal to take responsibility for their own security were all feeding Nato's decline and possible end.

    "The drift of the past 20 years can't continue," Gates said. "In the past, I've worried openly about Nato turning into a two-tiered alliance: between members who specialise in 'soft' humanitarian, development, peacekeeping, and talking tasks, and those conducting the "hard" combat missions … This is no longer a hypothetical worry. We are there today. And it is unacceptable."

    In March all 28 Nato members had voted for the Libya mission, he noted. "Less than half have participated, and fewer than a third have been willing to participate in the strike mission," he said. "Frankly, many of those allies sitting on the sidelines do so not because they do not want to participate, but simply because they can't. The military capabilities simply aren't there."

    In a withering attack on the European defence establishment, he blasted allies for slashing defence budgets, but conceded there was little chance of reversing the trend.

    "The blunt reality is that there will be dwindling appetite and patience in the US Congress to expend increasingly precious funds on behalf of nations that are apparently unwilling to devote the necessary resources or make the necessary changes to be serious and capable partners in their own defence."
    Robert Gates blames a failure of political will and defence cuts as he warns that younger US politicians could abandon alliance
    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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    It is pretty pathetic that France and the UK, permanent members of the Security Council, can barely sustain a combined bombing campaign against a North African dictatorship.
    John Brown did nothing wrong.

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    • #3
      They can't even sustain it without us loaning them extra bombs and drones.
      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Felch View Post
        It is pretty pathetic that France and the UK, permanent members of the Security Council, can barely sustain a combined bombing campaign against a North African dictatorship.
        FWIW, I think Russia and China would do an even worse job.

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        • #5
          That's not exactly praise.
          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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          • #6
            Russia and China aren't nearly as close to North Africa as the Brits and French are.
            John Brown did nothing wrong.

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            • #7
              China could do to many of its neighbors what Britain and France are trying to do to Libya. They'd probably commit a few atrocities in the process, however. Russia was able to pwn Georgia until Bush managed to get them to call it quits.
              If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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              • #8
                Georgia? That would be like a French invasion of Belgium. They'd have no problem with that.

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                • #9
                  I think they'd have more trouble with Belgium than they have had with Libya.
                  If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                  • #10
                    Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae.
                    John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                    • #11
                      the Belgae are the most overrated
                      Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                      GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                      • #12
                        The US defence secretary, Robert Gates, has delivered a blistering attack on European defence complacency, declaring that Nato has become a "two-tiered" alliance of those willing to wage war and those only interested in "talking" and peacekeeping.
                        It's a sad indictment of the US when they're whining that no one else is "willing" to wage war and is more interested in peacekeeping.

                        I'd say this thread backfired from the very first quote, to anyone reasonable.

                        BTW, remind me which countries are not involved with the Libya actions right now?
                        Last edited by Asher; June 10, 2011, 12:18.
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                        • #13
                          FWIW, Canada seems to have no problems sustaining its efforts in Libya. Unfortunately.

                          CF-18s have flown 1700 hours in 350 sorties expending $26M in fuel and bombs. But there's no shortage talk.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #14
                            And the shots at Europe from a country that couldn't defeat North Vietnam, took 10 years to kill a hermit, and still struggles in Iraq is amusing considering the difference in scale of the militaries.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Robert Gates
                              And he set this in the context of an America that can't afford to do as much as in the past. The back seat driving in Libya is not an aberration but the future
                              finally
                              Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                              GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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