Did Weiner show his weiner?

[rah]

Granted they are all dirt bags. But compare and contrast their end fates:

Ted Kennedy
Bill Clinton
Barney Frank
Maxine Waters
Charles Rangel
Anthony Weiner
Patrick Kennedy
John Murtha
Eric Massa - resigned

John Ensign - resigned
Tom Delay - resigned
Mark Foley - resigned
Duke Cunningham - resigned
Trent Lott - resigned
Christopher Lee - resigned

John Edwards?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

John Edwards really?

He kept campaigning thorughout his affair had no intentions of pulling out of the race. When all came out he was already cooked in the 08 presidential campaign.

The fact that he isn't running at this point is more likely due to his need to concentrate on his ciriminal defense. Its not as if he stepped down from anything or that Democratic leadership had pressured him on anything.

One could argue that his affair prevented him from gaining the VP nod from Obama but really its not as if that was a sure thing like say Spiro Agnew.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Different sort of integrity. Such as not being homophobic or racist, which isn't a minimum expectation of conduct for the Republican side.

Not buying it. By your own admission you gave Lotts fall from power as a reaction to vaguely racist commentary.

Were that the case, Harry "Obama is light skinned and doesn't speak with a Negro dialect" Reid, and Joe "Racist comments are legion" Biden would be political pariahs.

[rah]

John Edwards really?

He kept campaigning thorughout his affair had no intentions of pulling out of the race. When all came out he was already cooked in the 08 presidential campaign.

The fact that he isn't running at this point is more likely due to his need to concentrate on his ciriminal defense. Its not as if he stepped down from anything or that Democratic leadership had pressured him on anything.

One could argue that his affair prevented him from gaining the VP nod from Obama but really its not as if that was a sure thing like say Spiro Agnew.

Do you honestly think he will run for any major office in the future?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Nope at least in the short run. But the point is he knows he can't run. It wasn't an expectation that he yield his power (as defaulted to by his party leadership and cohorts) and hopefully let the controversy blow over. Hoping things would blow over was his default position until the criminal charges were levied. Who knows, given enough time he may dip his toes in the water again.

Stranger things have happened inthe world of democratic politics, its not as if Marion Barry and Alcee Hastings were prevented from reclaiming public office by way of criminal prosecution.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Not buying it. By your own admission you gave Lotts fall from power as a reaction to vaguely racist commentary.

From national office, but by your own admission he kept his seat.

As for Reid and Biden, one can reasonable say they had brainfart moments as opposed to a history of semi-racist policies and votes on bills.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

WRT to both Biden and Reid, the pattern has been long established with racist comments and "on the plantation" thinking. To write it off as a "one off" moment is ludicrous.

[Lorizael]

Granted they are all dirt bags. But compare and contrast their end fates:

Ted Kennedy
Bill Clinton
Chris Dodd
Barney Frank
Maxine Waters
Charles Rangel
Anthony Weiner
Patrick Kennedy
John Murtha
William J. Jefferson
Eric Massa - resigned

John Ensign - resigned
Tom Delay - resigned
Mark Foley - resigned
Duke Cunningham - resigned
Trent Lott - resigned
Christopher Lee - resigned

Two can cherry pick that data.

Arnold Schwarzenegger (affair and love child, did not resign)
Vito Fossella (affair and love child, did not resign)
Larry Craig (lewd conduct, did not resign)
Don Sherwood (affair and abuse, did not resign)
Steven Latourette (affair, did not resign)
Henry Hyde (affair, did not resign)
Dan Burton (affair and love child, did not resign)
Helen Chenoweth-Hage (slept with a married man, did not resign)
Ken Calvert (solicited oral sex from a prostitute, did not resign)
Clarence Thomas (sexual misconduct, did not withdraw)
Don Crane (underage sex with pages, did not resign)
Jon Hinson (exposing himself to a police officer, did not resign)
Robert Bauman (soliciting sex from an underage prostitute, did not resign)
John Schmitz (affair and love child, did not resign)

[giblets]

Yeah, but it's fun to be smug and feel superior to people who don't share your political views.

[ZEE]

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[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Two can cherry pick that data.

Arnold Schwarzenegger (affair and love child, did not resign)

Story broken after he left office. Nice try

Vito Fossella (affair and love child, did not resign)

Forgot the DUI as well. Pulled himself from the 2008 race. Nice try.

Larry Craig (lewd conduct, did not resign)

Agreeed. Served remainder of term after he indicated he would resign. Add this one to the list.

Don Sherwood (affair and abuse, did not resign)

Story broke after he lost election in 2006. AP story Nov. 3, 2006. Nice try.

Steven Latourette (affair, did not resign)

Who what? no story is observable in a two page look via Google.

Henry Hyde (affair, did not resign)

1967 afffair admitted to in 1998. Are you really intending this as an example?

Dan Burton (affair and love child, did not resign)

Agreed. Add him to the list. His affair was chronicled in Vanity Fair 1998.

Helen Chenoweth-Hage (slept with a married man, did not resign)

So? Well prior to office. Like the 1967 affair previously noted you really want to go there?

Ken Calvert (solicited oral sex from a prostitute, did not resign)

Put him on the list as his infedility was chronicled while in office. Further he was a chronic CREW member.

Clarence Thomas (sexual misconduct, did not withdraw)

Alleged. Whether one believes or doesn't the Anita Hill testimony was unconfirmable.

Don Crane (underage sex with pages, did not resign)

Dan Crane. Reported in 1983. Was Censured by leadership. Lost upcoming election.

Compare-contrast to Gerry Studds. Reported at the same time similar underage page sex scandal (albeit same sex but who cares). Censured, re-elected until 1997.

Jon Hinson (exposing himself to a police officer, did not resign)

Yes he did resign. April 13, 1981.

Robert Bauman (soliciting sex from an underage prostitute, did not resign)

Story broke on October. He checked himself into an alcholics clinic and immediately lost the election of November. I think this amounts to resignation.

John Schmitz (affair and love child, did not resign)

A reprehensible human being worthy of inclusion on the list considering the party did not cause him to resign.

[Dinner]

Of course he will. There is no minimum expectation of conduct for that side of the aisle.

Please. There are all sorts of Republicans who have sexual misconduct but who don't resign. Get a clue.

The real issue here is as long as the guy isn't preaching family values while having affairs or pushing anti-gay legislation while bugger men in public bathrooms then who cares? Hypocrisy is what most of us don't like so if the guy never claimed to be a family values saint and he cheats on his wife then he never lied. The issue is lying in a hypocritical fashion.

Ogie is just being a **** here.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I am comforted by the universal truth that Oerdin is always wrong.

[Lorizael]

Story broken after he left office. Nice try

That's fair.

Forgot the DUI as well. Pulled himself from the 2008 race. Nice try.

Served out the remainder of his term. But if your argument is that his constituency's minimum expectation of conduct kept him from running again, I'll grant you that.

Story broke after he lost election in 2006. AP story Nov. 3, 2006. Nice try.

Er, no.

From wiki:

The details of that incident went unnoticed until 2005, when Veronica Hannevig, who ran against Sherwood on the Constitution Party ticket in 2004, distributed a copy of the police report to several newspapers and television stations.

Who what? no story is observable in a two page look via Google.

Detailed in this article.

1967 afffair admitted to in 1998. Are you really intending this as an example?

Who cares when it happened? Does his constituency not have a minimum expectation of conduct for things that happened awhile ago?

So? Well prior to office. Like the 1967 affair previously noted you really want to go there?

Again, why does when a politician did something despicable make that politician less despicable in the eyes of the electorate?

Alleged. Whether one believes or doesn't the Anita Hill testimony was unconfirmable.

Alleged, yes. :shrug:

Dan Crane. Reported in 1983. Was Censured by leadership. Lost upcoming election.

Compare-contrast to Gerry Studds. Reported at the same time similar underage page sex scandal (albeit same sex but who cares). Censured, re-elected until 1997.

Comparing and contrasting is unnecessary. Clearly he had no belief in his constituency's minimum expectation of conduct, or he would have resigned.

Yes he did resign. April 13, 1981.

It appears, actually, that he resigned for a different controversy - attempted sodomy. He steadfastly refused to resign for his first one. Again from wiki:

During his re-election campaign in 1980, Hinson admitted that in 1976, while an aide to Cochran, he had been arrested for committing an obscene act,[1] exposing himself to an undercover policeman at the Iwo Jima Memorial in Arlington National Cemetery. Hinson denied that he was homosexual and blamed his problems on alcoholism. He said that he had reformed and refused to yield to demands that he resign. He won re-election with 38.97% of the vote, as independent candidate Leslie McLemore won 29.8% and Democrat Britt Singletary won 29.4% of the vote.

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Hinson, who was married to Cynthia Hinson, was again arrested on February 5, 1981, and charged with attempted oral sodomy[2] for performing oral sex on an African-American male employee of the Library of Congress in a restroom of the House of Representatives.

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He resigned on April 13, 1981, early in his second term.

Story broke on October. He checked himself into an alcholics clinic and immediately lost the election of November. I think this amounts to resignation.

I'm not particularly concerned with what it "amounts to." Again, if he believed his constituency had a minimum expectation of conduct, he would have resigned.

Agreeed. Served remainder of term after he indicated he would resign. Add this one to the list.

Agreed. Add him to the list. His affair was chronicled in Vanity Fair 1998.

Put him on the list as his infedility was chronicled while in office. Further he was a chronic CREW member.

A reprehensible human being worthy of inclusion on the list considering the party did not cause him to resign.

So if we add at least these guys to the list, why do you believe the right has any more of a minimum expectation of conduct than the left?

[Dinner]

I am comforted by the universal truth that Oerdin is always wrong.

You post dog **** like this:

Of course he will. There is no minimum expectation of conduct for that side of the aisle.

But I'm supposed to be the one that's wrong? You've been proven completely wrong yet you're still clinging to your partisan lie. Yes, Ogie, even if you don't like it what really gets people pissed off and what sells papers is hypocrisy. If the guy claims to be holier then everyone else, preaches about how deeply he cares about religion, tries to pass laws ban homosexual conduct or discriminating against gays, then is discovered to be a secret peter puffer... Well, there is a boat load of hypocrisy there and that's why the media goes after it like a pitbull on a steak. If the guy doesn't try to claim he's mister family values and then he cheats on his wife... Well, that dog will have a much harder time hunting because he never held himself up to Mr Perfect or made any claims about his sexual conduct being pure. Without hypocrisy there just isn't much there there.