Non-Native English Speakers: Which English is more important?

[Al B. Sure!]

Actually, it's a local accent spoken by many people here. I can understand it fluently.

Yeah but can Docfeelgood? gribbler?

That's my freaking point. Just as I understand Doc's video guy except for regional slang words like "duffy", so can you.

This so-called "ebonics" that was posted is intelligible to an English speaker. It is still English, regardless of what a Provost Harrison, for example, or a gribbler claims.

And I don't understand how your post is a response to my comment of cockney being "no less deviant from English than 'ebonics'". Are you claiming it IS less deviant?

[Dauphin]

Watch this movie.

[giblets]

Yeah but can Docfeelgood? gribbler?

That's my freaking point. Just as I understand Doc's video guy except for regional slang words like "duffy", so can you.

This so-called "ebonics" that was posted is intelligible to an English speaker. It is still English, regardless of what a Provost Harrison, for example, or a gribbler claims.

And I don't understand how your post is a response to my comment of cockney being "no less deviant from English than 'ebonics'". Are you claiming it IS less deviant?

Shouldn't English be recognizable to people in England?

[Al B. Sure!]

Shouldn't English be recognizable to people in England?

If it's the 17th century.

We've long since branched off.

[giblets]

If it's the 17th century.

We've long since branched off.

If someone was only intelligible to people in Philly, they would be speaking Phillish.

[Al B. Sure!]

If someone was only intelligible to people in Philly, they would be speaking Phillish.

In your mind, I guess your response was fitting or maybe witty but only in your mind.

[giblets]

In your mind, I guess your response was fitting or maybe witty but only in your mind.

English = language of England
I mean come on, the first four letters are the same.

[Al B. Sure!]

English = language of England
I mean come on, the first four letters are the same.

Hundreds of years ago, American English separated from English English and, over the years, with an ocean separating them, the two languages evolved along separate paths. Sure, there was still contact and overlap, but the languages went along different paths, for the most part. Likewise, Jamaican English evolved. Australian English evolved.

These other Englishes diverged into regional dialects as well, just as English English is divided into different dialects.

Now, if you were to assess a particular American dialect (let's say the accent of the Carolinas), would you compare it to the accents spoken in Manchester, London, etc.? or to American accents?

[Al B. Sure!]

I wonder if Barnabas posts on Spanish-language forums and people from Spain criticize the Latin versions of the language for not using vosotros.

[Docfeelgood]

Watch this movie.

looks good

[giblets]

Hundreds of years ago, American English separated from English English and, over the years, with an ocean separating them, the two languages evolved along separate paths. Sure, there was still contact and overlap, but the languages went along different paths, for the most part. Likewise, Jamaican English evolved. Australian English evolved.

These other Englishes diverged into regional dialects as well, just as English English is divided into different dialects.

Now, if you were to assess a particular American dialect (let's say the accent of the Carolinas), would you compare it to the accents spoken in Manchester, London, etc.? or to American accents?

Hundreds of years ago, people in Spain and France stopped speaking the same kind of Latin. Now they have different languages named after the countries they live in. Spanish is the language of Spain, French is the language of France, etc. That's how it works.

[Provost Harrison]

Cockneys?

Kindly explain these lyrics then:



Not the hook. I can get that. The verses, themselves. There's an occasional word that in intelligible but for the most part,

Did he say Romford at the beginning? He looks it Actually I couldn't understand him when he went off into that fast rap...but I don't think anyone could without properly dissecting it. The rest is fairly clear, if a bit of an overdone cockney accent.

[Al B. Sure!]

Hundreds of years ago, people in Spain and France stopped speaking the same kind of Latin. Now they have different languages named after the countries they live in. Spanish is the language of Spain, French is the language of France, etc. That's how it works.

And so you agree that a Londoner is not the ultimate arbiter of what is English when dealing with an American dialect?

Maybe now you have your answer to your question:

Shouldn't English be recognizable to people in England?

[Provost Harrison]

Although, personally, I consider their ghetto form of English to be an abomination as well.

[giblets]

And so you agree that a Londoner is not the ultimate arbiter of what is English when dealing with an American dialect?

Maybe now you have your answer to your question:

No, English = language of England. Of course there's nothing special about London or else it would be Londonese.