Spanish Youths Take to the Streets

[Jon Miller]

Maybe for people who aren't informed, but Lund/Uppsala/Stockholm all are consistently in the top 100 world universities. Which is good.

It is true, though, that Sweden is expensive. And, at least compared to the US, it is just getting more expensive.

JM

[Kitschum]

Informed is the key word. When I was in Australia even among young, presumably educated people I was lucky if they'd heard of anything Swedish other than Abba. India and other such places, forget it...

E: I realized this might have seems a bit too dismissive of the knowledge of foreign students by referring to my kind of unrelated experiences abroad (although I did hang around students and student-aged people from all over the world), but even if the students themselves are informed, there are always the opinions of family, friends and prospective employers.

I'm not sure that university rankings matters all that much. Besides the very top tier internationally chances are any place of education will just be filed as UK uni, US uni, Swedish uni, Ukrainian uni, and so on.

[Zoetstofzoetje]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gXyBJ5TNhZsMeJxZb5qutGxXtCuQ?docId=CNG.25b78f54a3b7e30abed76c9d803100d4.431

wankers, whiners. these youths claim not to be able to find employment. on paper 47% is unemployed.

in reality the figure is closer to 20% as i recently found out. the reason is, those 'unemployed' youths work 'black' and collect welfare on the side, by filling out a form on the internet every month.

[giblets]

Are you claiming youth unemployment is really 20%, not 40%, because a fifth of youths are working black market jobs?

[Zoetstofzoetje]

https://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/efc3510e-9214-11e0-9e00-00144feab49a.html

"If it were true that 4.9m people, or more than 21 per cent of the workforce, were jobless, Spain would not be as peaceful as, barring a few demonstrations, it has so far been, say economists and business leaders."

"the size of the Spanish black economy is equivalent to 19.2 per cent of official gross domestic product"

[KrazyHorse]

So Ztssuygf, you're hiring for crap like data entry or telemarketing, and you complain people won't beg on their knees for the job?

If they work for him for two years at 25k a year they can save over 500 000!

[Zoetstofzoetje]

aren't you a little old to be trolling the netz? you'd think a GS boy would have people to screw for money rather than just for kicks.

[KrazyHorse]

Once more proving that you're not just a liar, but a clumsy liar

[KrazyHorse]

Did you enjoy apologizing for your *****-ass behavior when I hurt your feelings a couple of months ago?

[Zoetstofzoetje]

I did! It was the right thing to do.

[aneeshm]

A large part might also be the idea that work is a necessary evil rather than a goal in itself. I struggle with employees that hit their monthly target during the first week and then slack off until the first day of the following month.

But work, unless it provides gratification on its own, is of course not an end in itself. Work, by definition, is a means to an end, and a cost - it costs you time and effort. Work does not have any intrinsic value; to think that it does is analogous to the (obviously fallacious) labour theory of value.

(This is not to say that immediately gratifying labour does not exist, merely to note that for the vast majority of mankind, work has no value of its own. At any time, it is only a lucky few who have work which is immediately gratifying.)

Obviously, this does not excuse the behaviour of those employees, which is a contractual and moral problem. The fact that they are behaving like this tells us a lot about them, and their value system. But work is not necessarily an end in itself.

[aneeshm]

Informed is the key word. When I was in Australia even among young, presumably educated people I was lucky if they'd heard of anything Swedish other than Abba. India and other such places, forget it...

E: I realized this might have seems a bit too dismissive of the knowledge of foreign students by referring to my kind of unrelated experiences abroad (although I did hang around students and student-aged people from all over the world), but even if the students themselves are informed, there are always the opinions of family, friends and prospective employers.

I'm not sure that university rankings matters all that much. Besides the very top tier internationally chances are any place of education will just be filed as UK uni, US uni, Swedish uni, Ukrainian uni, and so on.

The prestige and rankings are all-important only for undergraduate degrees. For doctoral programs, it's all about the advisor and the research group(s). Anyone who relies solely on rankings for such a decision does himself a disservice.

[C0ckney]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...9d803100d4.431

wankers, whiners. these youths claim not to be able to find employment. on paper 47% is unemployed.

in reality the figure is closer to 20% as i recently found out. the reason is, those 'unemployed' youths work 'black' and collect welfare on the side, by filling out a form on the internet every month.

so hang on, first the protesters are lazy spoilt youths (so lazy they are on the streets protesting) who don't want a job, and now these lazy youths are all working in the black economy. make up your mind please.

also, you work in 'finance' and you have only just discovered the black economy?

[Zoetstofzoetje]

spain is famous for its large black economy. i just never figured it would be this HUGE

[C0ckney]

dude every country has a large black economy.