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    Teens — gay or straight — more likely to attempt suicide in conservative towns
    Major study of Oregon high schoolers probes teen mental health and social climates

    CHICAGO — Suicide attempts by gay teens — and even straight kids — are more common in politically conservative areas where schools don't have programs supporting gay rights, a study involving nearly 32,000 high school students found.

    Those factors raised the odds and were a substantial influence on suicide attempts even when known risk contributors like depression and being bullied were considered, said study author Mark Hatzenbuehler, a Columbia University psychologist and researcher.

    His study found a higher rate of suicide attempts even among kids who weren't bullied or depressed when they lived in counties less supportive of gays and with relatively few Democrats. A high proportion of Democrats was a measure used as a proxy for a more liberal environment.

    The research focused only on the state of Oregon and created a social index to assess which outside factors might contribute to suicidal tendencies. Other teen health experts called it a powerful, novel way to evaluate a tragic social problem.

    "Is it surprising? No. Is it important? Yes," said Dr. Robert Blum of Johns Hopkins' Bloomberg School of Public Health.

    The study "takes our relatively superficial knowledge and provides a bit more depth. Clearly, we need lots more understanding, but this is very much a step in the right direction," he said.

    Blum serves on an Institute of Medicine committee that recently released a report urging more research on gay health issues. Blum said the new study is the kind of research the institute believes has been lacking. The independent group advises the government on health matters.

    The new study was published online Monday in the journal Pediatrics.

    Previous research has found disproportionately high suicide rates in gay teens. One highly publicized case involved a Rutgers University freshman who jumped off a bridge last year after classmates recorded and broadcast the 18-year-old having sex with a man.

    The study relied on teens' self-reporting suicide attempts within the previous year. Roughly 20 percent of gay, lesbian and bisexual teens said they had made an attempt, versus 4 percent of straight kids.

    The study's social index rated counties on five measures: prevalence of same-sex couples; registered Democratic voters; liberal views; schools with gay-straight alliances; schools with policies against bullying gay students; and schools with antidiscrimination policies that included sexual orientation.

    Gay, lesbian and bisexual teens living in counties with the lowest social index scores were 20 percent more likely to have attempted suicide than gays in counties with the highest index scores. Overall, about 25 percent of gay teens in low-scoring counties had attempted suicide, versus 20 percent of gay teens in high-scoring counties.

    Among straight teens, suicide attempts were 9 percent more common in low-scoring counties. There were 1,584 total suicide attempts — 304 of those among gays, lesbians and bisexuals.

    Hatzenbuehler said the results show that "environments that are good for gay youth are also healthy for heterosexual youth."

    The study is based on 2006-08 surveys of 11th-graders that state health officials conducted in Oregon classrooms; Oregon voter registration statistics; Census data on same-sex couples; and public school policies on gays and bullying.

    The researchers assessed proportions of Democrats versus Republicans; there were relatively few Independents. Information on non-voters wasn't examined.

    Zachary Toomay, a high school senior from Arroyo Grande, Calif., said the study "seems not only plausible, but it's true."

    The star swimmer, 18, lives in a conservative, mostly Republican county. He's active in his school's gay-straight alliance, and said he'd never been depressed until last year when classmates "ostracized" him for being vocal about gay rights.

    Toomay said signs of community intolerance, including bumper stickers opposing same-sex marriage, also made him feel down, and he sought guidance from a school counselor after contemplating suicide.

    Funding for the study came from the National Institutes for Health and a center for gay research at the Fenway Institute, an independent Harvard-affiliated health care and research center.

    Michael Resnick, a professor of adolescent mental health at the University of Minnesota's medical school, said the study "certainly affirms what we've come to understand about children and youth in general.

    "They are both subtly and profoundly affected by what goes around them," he said, including the social climate and perceived support.
    I am shocked that the socially oppressive culture associated with Republicans leads to suicides.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    MSNBC - not that this is a liberally-biased news network or anything.
    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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    • #3
      The difference is only five percentage points, which is plausibly within margin of error, yes? The sample size isn't exactly enormous.
      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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      • #4
        It does pass the sniff test.
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
          The difference is only five percentage points, which is plausibly within margin of error, yes? The sample size isn't exactly enormous.
          I assume you've never taken a class on statistics? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you've made this statement out of ignorance and not out of dishonesty. Try doing the math next time. The sample size is just fine.
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          • #6
            This just proves that homosexuality is especially dangerous in conservative areas. Good work conservatives, trying to put a stop to it

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            • #7
              Survival of the Fittest

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              • #8
                The conservative parts of Oregon border Idaho and produce nothing but potatoes. Me thinks we have a red herring here....

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                  I assume you've never taken a class on statistics? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you've made this statement out of ignorance and not out of dishonesty. Try doing the math next time. The sample size is just fine.
                  The problem is always more likely to be systematics than statistics in studies like this...
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                  Killing it is the new killing it
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                    I assume you've never taken a class on statistics? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you've made this statement out of ignorance and not out of dishonesty. Try doing the math next time. The sample size is just fine.
                    I'm becoming more and more convinced that HC's "intellect" is solely the result of his private education. Had he grown up poor in rural Alabama, he'd be a mouthbreathing dullard.
                    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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                    • #11
                      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DaShi View Post
                        I'm becoming more and more convinced that HC's "intellect" is independent of his private education. Had he grown up poor in rural Alabama, he'd still be a mouthbreathing dullard.
                        FTFY.
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                        • #13
                          Shouldn't this thread be called "Teens Kill"? My reading of the OP suggests that conservatives aren't killing anyone.

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                          • #14
                            It should be called "Gay Teen Republican Potato Farmers Try To Kill"

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                            • #15
                              TBH, I thought this thread was going to be about Krill and his conservative beliefs.

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