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  • #16
    Another gun kills five

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    Netherlands shooting: Gunman kills five in Dutch mall

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    Robin Pascoe, Editor of Dutch News: "People were shot by the checkout tills"

    A gunman in the Netherlands killed five people and wounded 11 before taking his own life, officials say.

    The killings took place at a busy shopping centre in the town of Alphen aan den Rijn, about 25km (15 miles) south-west of Amsterdam.

    The mayor of the town said the man opened fire with an automatic weapon and then shot himself.

    The gunman has not been formally identified and no explanation for the shooting has been reported.

    Dutch media quoted witnesses who said the man had blond hair and was about 25 years old. He was described as wearing a leather jacket and camouflage pattern trousers.
    Panic

    Mayor Bas Eenhoorn called the incident "unprecedented" for the town of about 70,000 people.

    He said four of the injured were in a critical condition and five had serious wounds.

    "A man with an automatic weapon, whose identity we cannot reveal, started shooting and killed five people and then himself," the mayor said.

    "It's hardly credible that our town could experience such slaughter, and on a day as beautiful as this," he said.

    A shopkeeper in the Ridderhof centre said the gunman appeared to be shooting people at random.

    "There was a panic in the mall, a lot of people running," the shopkeeper, Maart Verbeek, told Dutch broadcaster NOS.

    "I see the attacker coming, walking, and I go inside the store... and I see him going by with a big machine gun."

    A resident told the BBC the shooting was unusual, despite being the second in the area this month.

    "It's weird that something like this has happened in this neighbourhood. Usually nothing ever happens here. But this is the second shooting in two weeks," said Thomas Aantjes.

    Two people were killed on 2 April in a shooting in the same district of the town. Officials have not made a link between the two incidents.
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

    Steven Weinberg

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    • #17
      Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
      GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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      • #18
        What kind of automatic weapon was it? Was it stolen from a military armory?
        John Brown did nothing wrong.

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        • #19
          the shooter apparently had a criminal record, so this may be the route he obtained the weapon.
          Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
          GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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          • #20
            Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave View Post
            the shooter apparently had a criminal record, so this may be the route he obtained the weapon.
            He was a member of a shooting range and had licence for 5 fire-arms. DA cannot tell atm if the gun used was one of the licened ones. (which seems pretty improbable IMO, but I know little to none about Dutch arms laws, apart that I always thought (and hoped) they are very strict and won't allow automatic weapons, period). The criminal record stems from violation of his arms licences (or somesuch), charges were dropped in the end. Again no statement on whether that violation involved automatic fire-arms.
            "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
            "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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            • #21
              i lived opposite that mall for 10 years. weird to see it on tv here in spain.

              btw the part of the city where this took place and where this guy lived is now a relatively poor part of town.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                I always make sense - it's not my fault that you guys aren't smart enough to understand my superior intelligence
                Of course it is you fault. You must talk slowly and in words of one syllable so that we will understand.

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                • #23
                  We must kill those guns to deter other guns from killing people.
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                  • #24
                    were the guns arrested?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Perfection View Post
                      We must kill those guns to deter other guns from killing people.

                      That is actually a good idea - bombing weapon manufactorers and inventing gundestroying guns could solve the problem.
                      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                      Steven Weinberg

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