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  • Bitcoin: A paradigm-shift technology?

    Bitcoin

    Is a 2 year old open source project, a new form of money that runs on a peer-to-peer network such that there is no centralized control of the system. Think of bitcoin as like the bit-torrent of money. You can send a bitcoin to anyone with a bitcoin account just by entering their account number into the bitcoin client and pressing send. Bitcoins are 'backed' by the value placed in them by bitcoin users. Right now one bitcoin exchanges for just under a dollar.

    The supply of bitcoin is fixed and distributed across the network by people running the 'mining' feature of their bitcoin software. Basically you set the software to solving 'blocks', solve a block and you get 50 bitcoins. As the network becomes more powerful, the difficulty of these 'blocks' increases, so that more processing power is required to solve a block. The 'difficulty' to solve blocks is adjusted by the network to ensure that 50 new bitcoins are 'mined' every 10 minutes across the entire network. Anyone can go out and start mining for bitcoins, just install the open source bitcoin software. As of writing this however the processing power required to solve a block means you should use a fairly decent graphics card (GPU) as these work in a much better way for solving blocks than CPU's do.

    Don't think that it's all about mining though, the main way to get bitcoins is to sell something for them, a product or a service, afterall, that's what they are for. The work needed to mine bitcoin is not where the value comes from, the value of them comes from their use in trade. These days some people invest significant amounts of money in mining, buying high end GPU's and running computers nonstop... it means there's a certain 'floor' in the price level of bitcoin, the higher the 'difficulty' of blocks on the network, the more solid the floor for bitcoins becomes. Note however that I don't mean bitcoin is backed by trade just in terms of mining, I mean trade in terms of everything that people trade bitcoins for.

    One day, decades from now (assuming the internet lasts that long) all 21 million coins will have been produced. Then the reward for contributing infrastructure will all be in minuscule but cumulative 'transaction fees'. As of this writing there are about 5 and a half million bitcoins in existence.

    Although there will never be more than 21 million bitcoins, a bitcoin has 8 decimal places of granularity, so effectively there can be a lot more bitcoin units than 21 million. We'll have to see how large the bitcoin economy grows.

    More info here:
    Bitcoin is an innovative payment network and a new kind of money. Find all you need to know and get started with Bitcoin on bitcoin.org.


    All of which brings me to my questions, what does this mean for the Global Economy on the whole? For instance with bitcoin it would be quite easy to avoid paying tax, as a social democrat and law abiding citizen I don't think not paying tax is a good idea (although I also don't agree with blowing the tax money on bailing out private capital or bombing people who live in countries that have resources that business interests in my country would like to control).

    Anyway bitcoin is really just a form of digital cash, and yes it is easy to avoid taxes if you keep your dealings in cash and off the books, so it's not really a new problem.

    Anyway what do you guys think, if anything, about this technology?

    By the way you can get some free bitcoins here if you'd like to see how they work:


    But if you think the idea is silly, please just send them to me instead: 1DDbaFtKaEKKHNk1n1TAcEW4Z7fbPSQKhw
    Freedom Doesn't March.

    -I.

  • #2
    I thought about posting this a month or so ago. Several sties (including LessWrong) accept them currency as a donation.
    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
    The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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    • #3
      Isn't there something in the Bible warning agains this?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by EPW View Post
        Isn't there something in the Bible warning agains this?
        wtf
        Freedom Doesn't March.

        -I.

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        • #5
          Genesis 11:1-9
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          • #6
            And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
            It's definitely a good idea.
            Freedom Doesn't March.

            -I.

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            • #7
              if I have access to a supercomputer and can compute a high amount of bitcoins real fast, can I flood the market and create hyperinflation? that would be cool

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              • #8
                No, you'd need to exceed 50 percent of the networks current processing power (currently 0.499 Thash/s, that's terra hashes per second). And then convince everyone to accept your bitcoins. The attack you describe has been discussed at length, ultimately it was found to be an unprofitable waste of time and resources. If you can afford that amount of power to throw around, there are way better things you could do with it than a loss making adventure earning you what would then be worthless coinage.
                Freedom Doesn't March.

                -I.

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                • #9
                  Iceland's currency was toppled for less. There were three drunk traders sitting in a hotel, bragging about how they would bring the Iceland Krone to its knees. The next day they actually did it. For kicks, and some money. Of course, after their splurge, others joined in and created the long-term crash.

                  The three of them weren't held accountable. Regulators realized that if three drunk idiots can topple a currency, the fault is with the currency, and not with market participants.

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                  • #10
                    That sounds to me like a myth, Icelands problems were far more systemic than what some drunken idiots could do.

                    Traders can try and corner bitcoin, it'll make them all the more valuable. To try an corner production of bitcoins on the network, that would be an expensive headache with nothing to show at the end, and it won't even have caused bitcoin to be "toppled'.
                    Last edited by problem_child; March 27, 2011, 10:37.
                    Freedom Doesn't March.

                    -I.

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                    • #11
                      Don't have time to watch the video... do bitcoins actually exchange for real
                      dollars? Or real goods and services?

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                      • #12
                        problem_child, I have some tulips for you.
                        urgh.NSFW

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                        • #13
                          Personally, I'd just get the free bitcoins from the http://freebitcoins.appspot.com

                          And if you have a website where you accept donations, make it clear that you'll also accept bitcoin donations. There's really no need to get all caught up in any bubbles. Hang on to them, and keep an eye on things, you never know, they could turn out to be worth a fair bit in two or three years time.
                          Freedom Doesn't March.

                          -I.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by VetLegion View Post
                            Don't have time to watch the video... do bitcoins actually exchange for real
                            dollars? Or real goods and services?
                            Yes they do exchange for real goods, also work/services by professional coders etc. Amusingly I found out about a site today where they are even selling illegal drugs for them, I think the reason for that is that bitcoins can be anonymous if you are that way inclined.
                            Freedom Doesn't March.

                            -I.

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