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  • Let's make miscarriages illegal.

    A Georgia state representative has reintroduced an anti-abortion bill that would make miscarriages a felony if the mother cannot prove there was no "human involvement."

    The legislation from Rep. Bobby Franklin, a Republican, would make all abortions, described as "prenatal murder," illegal based on the belief that all life begins at conception. The bill's definition of "prenatal murder" excludes miscarriages "so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever" in causing them. Anyone convicted would face the death penalty or life behind bars.

    Miscarriages, defined as pregnancies that end on their own within the first 20 weeks, are quite common. As many as 40 percent of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, often before a woman misses a menstrual period or even knows she is pregnant, according to the March of Dimes. About 10 to 15 percent of recognized pregnancies end in a miscarriage, the group found.

    It is still unclear what causes miscarriages, but in most cases, it is a sign that the pregnancy is not developing normally.

    Franklin's legislation does not clarify what defines human involvement or how this would be enforced.

    Franklin did not return a message seeking comment. His voicemail greeting thanks callers for "calling to give me encouragement about sponsorship of HB 1 that recognizes prenatal murder is murder. I'm not able to take that encouragement right now."

    His office told FoxNews.com that the "right-to-life" bill is "not as stab at people who miscarriages." Franklin has introduced the bill each session since 2002 but it has never made it out of committee, his office said, adding that it likely never will.

    But Franklin's legislation still prompted outrage among women's advocates.

    "These proposals do nothing to prevent unintended pregnancies and abortions," Leola Reis, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood Southeast, said in an e-mail to FoxNews.com. "Lawmakers who truly care about women and families should work with Planned Parenthood to increase access to proven prevention initiatives like birth control and sex education."

    "This type of initiative in Georgia and the recent attacks on publicly funded contraceptive programs nationally are out of step with the needs of women and families and out of step with American values," she added.
    How would this work?

    So really, how would such a law work? Would a woman who miscarried, who is grieving over her devastating loss, be dragged to court for a trial to prove her guilt and determine whether or not the miscarriage was intentional?

    Also, this law would make abortions illegal in Georgia. I did not know that states' laws trump federal laws.
    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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    Which is why
    Franklin has introduced the bill each session since 2002 but it has never made it out of committee, his office said, adding that it likely never will.
    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
    RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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    • #3
      I know - I read that, too.

      I still found this to be disturbing - I would have expected such a proposed law from a dictator of an African country, or a Muslim fundamentalist country, not from a politician of a Western, "enlightened" country.
      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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      • #4
        There's a lesson for you to learn. I would have expected a gay man to be less bigoted.
        "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
        "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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        • #5
          Oh, and since when is someone guilty until proven innocent?

          I'm not able to take that encouragement right now.
          "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
          "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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          • #6
            Apparently this guy has been introducing the same bill in the state legislature for almost 10 years now and it never passes.

            Edit: Mucked by Rah.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by MrFun View Post
              not from a politician of a Western, "enlightened" country.
              Remember that we're talking GEORGIA. You always have to question the amount of enlightenment in that state.
              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
              RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                Apparently this guy has been introducing the same bill in the state legislature for almost 10 years now and it never passes.

                Edit: Mucked by Rah.
                Worse, it never made it out of committee.
                It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by germanos View Post
                  Oh, and since when is someone guilty until proven innocent?
                  That's what I was thinking. The burden of proof is backward.
                  "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                  "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                  • #10
                    Who said that someone is guilty until proven innocent?
                    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rah View Post
                      Remember that we're talking GEORGIA. You always have to question the amount of enlightenment in that state.
                      Even for a Southern state, I was still shocked when I read about the extremity of this bill.
                      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by germanos View Post
                        There's a lesson for you to learn. I would have expected a gay man to be less bigoted.
                        Where have I expressed bigotry in this thread?
                        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MrFun View Post
                          Who said that someone is guilty until proven innocent?
                          From the first line of the article you posted:

                          ...if the mother cannot prove there was no "human involvement.


                          Reverse onus.
                          "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                          "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MrFun View Post
                            Where have I expressed bigotry in this thread?
                            Here:

                            Originally posted by MrFun View Post
                            I expected such a proposed law from an African or a Muslim
                            "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
                            "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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                            • #15
                              So there are no examples in those countries of such laws?
                              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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