Prove God exists!

[Jon Miller]

You can say you don't believe it. You can say you don't agree with it.

Ridiculing it is just retarded. Many people think it is a great argument, and the argument has not been 'formally' proven to be false.

JM

[MOBIUS]

I bet the people that think it's a great idea also believe in God...

Common sense dictates that it is false: if he is so powerful, why would God bother with evolving things in the first place? The dude must've gone bat**** crazy sitting on his arse alone waiting hundreds of millions of years just for the first single celled organism to finally figure out how to evolve into something bigger...

The whole concept is utter bull**** because... Oh wait - God doesn't exist!

FFS people...

[Docfeelgood]

I bet the people that think it's a great idea also believe in God...

Common sense dictates that it is false: if he is so powerful, why would God bother with evolving things in the first place? The dude must've gone bat**** crazy sitting on his arse alone waiting hundreds of millions of years just for the first single celled organism to finally figure out how to evolve into something bigger...

The whole concept is utter bull**** because... Oh wait - God doesn't exist!

FFS people...

"You need Jesus in your life brother. Just open your heart and let Jesus in"

Heard this on a make money tv religious show.

[Ming]

You can say you don't believe it. You can say you don't agree with it.

Ridiculing it is just retarded. Many people think it is a great argument, and the argument has not been 'formally' proven to be false.

JM

What argument is there... Only god can make something complex? Just 50 years ago, a current lap top computer would seem sooooooo complex and beyond anybodies ability to even consider... but god doesn't make them... People do.

Complex = There is a God isn't an argument or any kind of proof... The only reason why "MANY RELIGIOUS" people think it's an "argument/proof" is because they have NOTHING else to hang their hat on.

Saying that since something is so complex that it proves there is a god is simply silly and retarted... If you want to believe, fine by me... but come up with a real argument or real proof... don't try to come up with something totally unrelated and say, it "proves" there is a god. Heck, in 50 years we may be able to create, duplicate, and do whatever we want with DNA... will that then formally prove there is no god?

[Jon Miller]

Umm, I am not saying that there are no arguments against it. Or even that it is a great argument.

But your argument there is retarded.

Computers are designed...

It is fine to disagree or argue against it or think it is unconvincing (see MikeH). And I guess ridicule if you really want to. But ridiculing what is not rationally deserving ridicule is foolish, and primarily (on Apolyton and most other places I frequent) what the non-believing side engages in.

JM

[MOBIUS]

Everything in the universe reacts to the environment it is in. If you want to call it design, you can be a moron and do so...

You still haven't answered why it would be logical for God to have created the concept of evolution.

[Ming]

Umm, I am not saying that there are no arguments against it. Or even that it is a great argument.

But your argument there is retarded.

Again... I'm not the one saying complex = god... talk about being retarded.

Computers are designed...

But they are complex... And they were created by men, not a god.

It is fine to disagree or argue against it or think it is unconvincing (see MikeH). And I guess ridicule if you really want to. But ridiculing what is not rationally deserving ridicule is foolish, and primarily (on Apolyton and most other places I frequent) what the non-believing side engages in.

This coming a person who says... But your argument there is retarded... so you can do it, but the other side can't?
You are "engaging" in the same behavior.

But you are really missing the whole point... "complex = there is a god" is simply not an argument or any kind of proof. There are many complex things that don't involve a god.

People believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny, but they don't exist so neither does god simply because people believe. That's a lot stronger argument then complex = god... but you call that silly and not applicable.

[Jon Miller]

As already pointed out, aliens creating life on earth is equivalent to saying God created life on earth (under some definitions of God).

I am not engaging in the same behavior because your argument is rationally deserving of ridicule.

So yes, using the argument that complex objects are created (by humans) as a counter argument to the argument that complex life was created (by God) is retarded. It would be like me arguing that God must exist because there is no evidence for His existence.

As to your other argument, it is just as ridiculous. People believe in that humans have landed on the moon, humans have landed on moon so God does exist because people believe.

Please Ming, you are an older man. Use arguments that are more well developed than those used by teenagers.

JM

[giblets]

Computers are not as complex as the people who design them, or at least they aren't yet...

[Jon Miller]

Hint: Ming, there is a reason why none of your arguments appear here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_god#Arguments_against_the_existence_of_God

If you want to look at rational reasons to not believe in God, you can start by looking there. Then read some books.

HTH

JM

[Ming]

As already pointed out, aliens creating life on earth is equivalent to saying God created life on earth (under some definitions of God).

Aliens aren't god...

I am not engaging in the same behavior because your argument is rationally deserving of ridicule.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... complex = god is not rational at all...
But what BS... since you feel it deserves ridicule, it's ok for you to do so... but if others think you deserve ridicule, it's not ok.

So yes, using the argument that complex objects are created (by humans) as a counter argument to the argument that complex life was created (by God) is retarded. It would be like me arguing that God must exist because there is no evidence for His existence.

No more "retarded" then claiming that God must exist since there is DNA. Actually... a lot less retarded.

As to your other argument, it is just as ridiculous. People believe in that humans have landed on the moon, humans have landed on moon so God does exist because people believe.

HUH... I'm not the one that uses as "proof" that god exists because they believe... Only people in god use that silly argument.

Please Ming, you are an older man. Use arguments that are more well developed than those used by teenagers.
JM

You claim to be a thinking person, yet you believe in a fantasy... And your logic in support of such fantasies is not logic at all, with no developed arguments what so ever... You also claim that only the anti god people use insults, yet there you go again.

Maybe you should actually think before you post.

[Ming]

Hint: Ming, there is a reason why none of your arguments appear here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_god#Arguments_against_the_existence_of_God

If you want to look at rational reasons to not believe in God, you can start by looking there. Then read some books.

HTH

JM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHA...
Because somebody did or did not add something to Wiki, that's proof.
Do you know how many things are wrong in Wiki... or do you believe everything you read on the internet, just like you believe in a god.

Maybe you should start thinking for yourself instead of looking on line and being told what to believe..

[sparkyal]

Hmmmm....part of me wonders if we are looking at this question the wrong way. Forgive me for a moment......the idea of proof is really what stands out to me. Proof is a scientific term. You can prove certain things about matter and the universe through a series of tests and come up with quite accurate equations that show us how the universe is governed. We can do this because the goal of science is to explain the universe in a natural way...ie..without looking at supernatural powers. So therefore, the answer is "no, you cannot prove that God exists." Because science in not an adequate tool for the job. for example, I can easy prove that water (H2O) is a compound and is NOT an element.

Think of it another way, prove that God does not exist. You could not do that either. But i can easily prove that water is NOT an element, but a compound. this is what science can do. And it is a very useful tool, just not one that can be used for this job.

Do I believe that God exists? Yes, I absolutely I do. Why? Well, I have my reasons for that but I do not think that any of those reasons would be "proof" in the term that we are using it here.

Thanks, and feel free to comment

[Docfeelgood]

Wow! still going at it?

[Docfeelgood]

It all comes down to faith. Why do you guys argue about this so much? I'm not going to say that GOD cannot EVER be proven, but finding proof is very hard. Trying to prove GOD is like trying to prove to a blind man that the sky is dark after the sun goes down. Just got to have faith and trust.