Stupid Californians

[Ming]

It certainly shows the majority of Republican primary voters hold bigoted/racist beliefs. That's undeniable.

Again... you might want to use the figures you supplied to show how misinformed or brainwashed they are, but they don't show anything about bigoted or racist beliefs... What's undeniable is that you are just pulling this out of your ass...

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That's still a far "shot" from saying MOST

OK, just to make you feel better, I will give you that fig leaf. It's still the majority of people who decide which candidate to run and who defacto run the whole ****ing party. OK, if you want to say that only the majority of Republicans who vote in the primary, and who run the party, are bigots, instead of the majority of registered Republicans then I will agree but that is a very shallow victory. The bigoted loonies run the show and we all know it. They are the majority of those who run the party and that's why people can reasonably say the majority of Republicans (who matter; IE: who control the party) are bigots. Please stop pretending they're not because all evidence says they are.

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Again... you might want to use the figures you supplied to show how misinformed or brainwashed they are, but they don't show anything about bigoted or racist beliefs... What's undeniable is that you are just pulling this out of your ass...

Yeah... I get it. They're just "brainwashed" against a half black man but his race isn't remotely a factor, right?

I mean just because they never had a reaction like that to a white person and suddenly developed irrational beliefs against a black person, and we're talking waaaayyyy the **** out there irrational, that has no bearing on the fact that he's black, right? Let's pretend we're both adults. Let's admit the ****ing obvious. The reason so many **** bag extremists are upset is because of the man's race. The Republican Party is deliberately pandering to racists and the majority of their primary voters are siding with racists but... There is a slight chance that they, super secretly, aren't racist. Is that you point? If so it's a ****ing retarded point because they're obviously bigots desperately looking for a chance to manifest their bigotry and, yes, they are THE MAJORITY of their party.

[Ming]

Dumb. You're just dumb. I post links and you post this nonsense? Even my sources are creditable unless you think U.S. News and World Reports is some secret leftist group. What do you offer? Nothing. As is usual.

USN&WR is not the source of the data... they didn't do the study. They and others media just reported on the survey that was based on 400 people who "claimed" they were republicans...

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SCOTUS has refused to hear the latest birther case. I think they're covering for the foreigner.

[Ming]

Yeah... I get it. They're just "brainwashed" against a half black man but his race isn't remotely a factor, right?

Yeah... I get it... use research to support a position that it doesn't... but claim you can smell the truth... RIGHT

I don't accept your "smell" as proof...

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"Just because 51% are professing a racist belief and 22% are flirting with a racist belief doesn't mean they're all racist. I mean 27% of them clearly are not racist."

If that's why you want to argue then cool but the majority are endorsing a racist idea and the VAST MAJORTY either endorse or are flirting with a racist idea so, yeah, the other 27% aren't racist but as a generalization it seems perfectly fine when talking about 73% of the Republican Party's base. Including the people who actually run the party because they're clearly a bunch of bigots. Republican politicians are certainly tripping over themselves to pander to the bigots so it's a damn good generalization. If you want to continue associating with such a group, fine, but don't whine when people call a spade a spade.

[Ming]

"Just because 51% are professing a racist belief and 22% are flirting with a racist belief doesn't mean they're all racist. I mean 27% of them clearly are not racist."

Since when is believing the propaganda that Obama isn't a US citizen a racist belief?

Just pure BS on your part.

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Ming thinks the mathematics of statical analysis is open to question. OK, if you think the study's subject size is too small please tell me what you think would be a large enough sample size. How small does the margin of error have to be before you admit what proffessionals have already seen using standard statical methods?

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Since when is believing the propaganda that Obama isn't a US citizen a racist belief?

Just pure BS on your part.

Since when is selectively claiming that white people are US citizens but half black people are not citizens (and secretly illegal aliens and probably a super secret Islamic terrorist) not racist? Gee, let me think about that. Since for ****ing ever? It's so ****ing obvious it is god damned transparent. You expect me to believe that the largest race issue in the history of our nation isn't the dominating factor in these sudden manifestations of completely irrational beliefs against black people? What were you, born yesterday?

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'Conservatives' are much less willing to vote for women, hispanics, homosexuals, atheists, etc.

However moderate Republicans do exist

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"Yeah, just because the majority endorse racist ideas and that majority controls the party that doesn't mean the party is racist or panders to racists." Nope, not at all. It's not like they're playing to pre-existing racism and that racists aren't claiming the, half black President of the United States, is a secret illegal alien on purely racist grounds even though they have never done so against white people. Spin me another fairy tale, Brother's Grim. Just because the Republicans are CONSTANTLY spewing racist garbage, and have decades of being racist, we should give them the benefit of the doubt when their motivations are utterly transparent for anyone with half a brain? It's clear as day.

[Ming]

Ming thinks the mathematics of statical analysis is open to question. OK, if you think the study's subject size is too small please tell me what you think would be a large enough sample size. How small does the margin of error have to be before you admit what proffessionals have already seen using standard statical methods?

I think the stated margin for this study was + or - 4.6% to 4.9% (I don't remember what I read) This would be considered on the high side for research. But again... the research shows that republicans are either misinformed, or have silly beliefs. It does NOTHING to PROVE that they are racists/bigoted. You keep trying to make a relationship that is not supported by the research you use as proof.

You are welcome to your "opinion"... but that doesn't PROVE anything.

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That's still a far "shot" from saying MOST

The polls don't lie. Most, as in the majority, do hold clearly racist beliefs. They endorse them and own them. That's just a fact even if you don't like it.

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I think the stated margin for this study was + or - 4.6% to 4.9% (I don't remember what I read) This would be considered on the high side for research. But again... the research shows that republicans are either misinformed, or have silly beliefs. It does NOTHING to PROVE that they are racists/bigoted. You keep trying to make a relationship that is not supported by the research you use as proof.

You are welcome to your "opinion"... but that doesn't PROVE anything.

Let's assume your recollection of the error bars are correct. Let's assume that "only" 46.1% of Republican primary voters think the President of the United States is an illegal alien (and secret Islamic terrorist) and that "only" 17.1% are unsure if he is an illegal alien (and secret Islamic terrorist). That gives us 63.2% of likely GOP primary voters either believing that the President of the United States is an illegal alien (and secret Islamic terrorist) or are unsure of that fact. How the **** does that support your case? It still shows the VAST MAJORITY are ****ing insane loonies. It still shows exactly what I said, that the majority either fully endorse or play around with completely racist ideas. You are not helping yourself by playing the the statical mathematics. Even if I give you EVERYTHING we still have 63.2% of likely Republican primary voters. Just give up and admit reality already.