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    It's true because the pope says so

    Pope concludes those responsible for the crucifixion were the 'Temple aristocracy' and supporters of the rebel Barabbas



    Pope finds Jews not to blame for death of Jesus

    Pope concludes those responsible for the crucifixion were the 'Temple aristocracy' and supporters of the rebel Barabbas



    The pope has written a detailed and personal repudiation of the idea that the Jews were collectively responsible for the death of Jesus.

    In a book to be published next week, he concludes that those responsible for the crucifixion were the "Temple aristocracy" and supporters of the rebel Barabbas.

    Dismissing the centuries-old interpretation of St John's assertion that it was "the Jews" who demanded Barabbas's release and Jesus's execution, the pontiff asks: "How could the whole people have been present at this moment to clamour for Jesus's death?"

    The notion of collective Jewish guilt, which bedevilled relations between the two faiths, was disowned by the Roman Catholic church at the second Vatican council in 1965. But this is thought to be the first time a pope has carried out such a detailed, theological demolition of the concept.

    It is particularly significant coming from the pen of a German-born pontiff who has more than once been at the eye of a storm in Jewish-Catholic relations. Elan Steinberg, vice-president of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors and their Descendants, told Reuters: "This is a major step forward. This is a personal repudiation of the theological underpinning of centuries of antisemitism."

    Benedict's analysis featured in extracts from the second volume of his work, Jesus of Nazareth, released on Wednesday by the Vatican's publishers. The first volume was published four years ago. The second, due out on 10 March, deals with Jesus's later life, death and the resurrection that is central to Christian belief.

    The pope also focuses on another phrase from the gospel often used against Jews. St Matthew describes the crowd as saying: "His blood be on us and on our children."

    Benedict writes that Jesus's death was not about punishment, but salvation. The blood he shed "does not cry out for vengeance and punishment, it brings reconciliation," he writes.

    The pope, who as a young boy belonged to the Hitler Youth, attracted a barrage of criticism two years ago he when he lifted the excommunication of an ultra-traditionalist British bishop, Richard Williamson, who had cast doubt on the extent of the Holocaust.

    Later the same year he was criticised for furthering the advance towards sainthood of Pius XII. The Vatican lauds the wartime pope for working quietly to save Jewish lives, but his critics argue he should have openly denounced the Nazis' genocide.
    Using this kind of logic, it means that we no longer can call BeBro a nazi just because he's a kraut
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

    Steven Weinberg

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    I assume each person is Denmark is still personally responsible for the Vikings raiding, plundering and rampaging along the coasts of Europe.

    Viking plunderers, the lot of them.

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    • #3
      We only killed peasants and priests - we didn't kill people that started new religions - we weren't stupid
      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

      Steven Weinberg

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      • #4
        I'd think that a cursory examination of Jewish methods of execution at that time would reveal burning at the stake or stoning to be the methods prescribed- crucifixion (from the Phoenicians to the Romans, if I recall) was the preferred lengthy and grisly torture of the Roman state (didn't Julius Caesar have the Cilician pirates who kidnapped him crucified, according to Plutarch ?).

        Of course, once Christianity became the state faith of the Roman Empire, it became more than ever necessary to blame the Jews .

        The pope, who as a young boy belonged to the Hitler Youth, attracted a barrage of criticism two years ago he when he lifted the excommunication of an ultra-traditionalist British bishop, Richard Williamson, who had cast doubt on the extent of the Holocaust.

        Later the same year he was criticised for furthering the advance towards sainthood of Pius XII. The Vatican lauds the wartime pope for working quietly to save Jewish lives...
        Yeah, that would be the same Pope who worked so hard for the Concordat between the Vatican and Nazi Germany- the same one who managed to neutralize the Catholic political party in the Reichstag. The same one the current Pope is keen on turning into a 'saint'...

        Perhaps it's a foray into Germanic irony.
        Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

        ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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        • #5
          wow, long time no see. welcome back molly.
          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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          • #6
            Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
            Using this kind of logic, it means that we no longer can call BeBro a nazi just because he's a kraut
            Can we still call the Pope a Nazi?
            Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
            Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
            We've got both kinds

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            • #7
              Only if you do so in a respectful manner.
              John Brown did nothing wrong.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                wow, long time no see. welcome back molly.
                Many thanks.

                Can we still call the Pope a Nazi?
                Just cross yourself and genuflect first.
                Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                • #9
                  If you want to genuflect do it in private you rude bugger.
                  "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                  "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                    If you want to genuflect do it in private you rude bugger.
                    You're thinking about Ginny Flex the ambidextrous cheerleader.

                    I've only ever gone down on one knee in church (and no priests or choirboys...) .
                    Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                    ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                    • #11


                      Welcome back Molly.
                      "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                      "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                      • #12
                        Man, at this rate transubstantiation is only going to be a metaphor in a couple of years.
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