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  • #61
    Originally posted by Barnabas View Post
    In Argentine online newspapers people are arguing on whether this guy was a right wing nut who watched Glenn Beck or a left wing nut who watched Oberman (spelling?)

    Can you Yanks enlighten me?
    He's just a nut and seemingly not a slave to an ideology. And it's Olbermann.
    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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    • #62
      He may be an anarchist. I'm not sure how the communism thing fits in with that though.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
        He's just a nut and seemingly not a slave to an ideology. And it's Olbermann.
        OMG! Olbermann shot these people?!?!

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        • #64
          He's ****ing crazy he doesn't need to make sense!

          xpost
          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
          ){ :|:& };:

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          • #65
            you should edit your post to "awesome xpost" instead of just "xpost"

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            • #66
              Crazy people can have Ideologies!
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              • #67
                His list of favorite books looks eerily similar to the syllabus of the Intro to Philosophy class I took freshman year...

                Damn leftist professors...
                "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
                ^ The Poly equivalent of:
                "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                  DinoDoc


                  **** these right-wing gun nuts are scary.

                  http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/americas/details-emerge-of-suspect-in-shooting-that-injured-congresswoman-killed-6/article1862797/page3/

                  Ms. Giffords narrowly won re-election to a third term last November after a hard-fought campaign against Republican Jesse Kelly, a Tea Party candidate, who won brief national attention for slamming Sarah Palin for endorsing some he felt were too moderate.

                  Ms. Giffords had been one of 20 Democrats “targeted” on a Tea Party map that identified those Democrats it especially wanted to unseat using icons of gunfights overlaid on a map of America.

                  In a race dominated by contentious immigration issues, Mr. Kelly said, “Gabrielle Giffords has betrayed southern Arizona by refusing to secure the border.” He insisted she had pushed President Obama to deploy troops along the frontier with Mexico but Tea Partiers demanded much tougher action.

                  Mr. Kelly held fundraisers where he urged supporters to help remove Ms. Giffords from office by joining him to shoot a fully loaded M-16 rifle. Mr. Kelly is a former Marine who served in Iraq and was pictured on his website in military gear holding his automatic weapon and promoting the event.

                  “I don't see the connection,” between the fundraisers featuring weapons and Saturday's shooting, said John Ellinwood, Mr. Kelly's spokesman. “I don't know this person, we cannot find any records that he was associated with the campaign in any way. I just don't see the connection.

                  Last March, vandals stoned the front of Ms. Giffords' Tucson office – one of several Democrat storefronts attacked – when at least 10 members of Congress reported death threats and attacks over the contentious health care reform bill that was the centerpiece of Mr. Obama's first two years as president.

                  In an interview after the vandalism, Ms. Giffords referred to the animosity against her by conservatives. Sarah Palin listed Ms. Giffords' seat as one of the top “targets” in the midterm elections because of the lawmakers' support for the health care law.

                  “For example, we're on Sarah Palin's targeted list, but the thing is, that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district. When people do that, they have to realize that there are consequences to that action,” Ms. Giffords said in an interview with MSNBC.
                  "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                  Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                  • #69
                    So, Sarah Palin is as bad as Mortal Kombat and other videogames that turn our kids into spree killers?
                    I need a foot massage

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                    • #70
                      Yes.
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Felch View Post
                        I'm a moron and I can't tell the difference.

                        Coincidentally I just bought a sweet 5.56 at the Frederick gun show today. Maryland has magazine restrictions, so mine only has the 20s. Still I got a little red dot mounted on there, and after tax it was only about $900 total.
                        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        It didn't seem that way to me either, DaShi.
                        So neither of you can see the difference between targeting individuals and states either? The problem with Palin's poster is that it appears as a veritable hit list of people to take out. Is it? Probably not. HC even admits its poor taste. But there's no real comparison with DD's posters. Also, you can't really blame Palin for the attack on Giffords given the evidence. But that her name appeared on Palin's hit list is an unfortunate coincidence and a lesson about making such public statements.

                        DD, I expect such stupidity from because that's all he posts. HC, you're a smart guy, but whenever politics come up your brain turns off. It doesn't take much critical thinking to see through DD's obtuse remarks. They, like the rightwing blogs they come from, are designed to elicit knee-jerk responses. You should try to watch yourself with this, because it undercuts your credibility. Felch, stop smoking so much pot!
                        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                        "Capitalism ho!"

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                        • #72
                          NEVER! You can have my guns/blunts when you pry them out of my cold dead hands.
                          John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                          • #73
                            Felch represents the militant pot smokers.

                            I am from the more moderate camp.
                            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                            • #74
                              Someone has to protect the farms from THE MAN.
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                              • #75
                                It's the stores that the gov is targeting (not unlike Sarah Palin).

                                Marijuana Dispensaries Are Facing New Scrutiny
                                By ZUSHA ELINSON
                                Medical marijuana dispensaries try hard to maintain the appearance that they are nonprofit health centers. Customers are referred to as “patients,” and merchandise as “medicine.” Yoga classes are often available, along with health-related literature.

                                But the rivers of cash flowing in and out of these businesses are attracting scrutiny from local and federal authorities who say they are trying to distinguish between legitimate health practitioners and sellers of illegal drugs.

                                “We’re trying to get to a point where we get we can weed out — for lack of a better word — to filter out the people that are really perverting this law just to sell drugs,” said Frank Carrubba, deputy district attorney in Santa Clara County.

                                Last month, the four operators of New Age Healing Collective in San Jose were charged with illegal marijuana sales and money laundering after the police said they turned up two sets of books. The raid was part of a series of recent investigations into San Jose dispensaries by the Santa Clara Special Enforcement Team.

                                One ledger, kept at the tiny dispensary, showed New Age Healing losing $123,128 since May, according to the police. Another, which the police said had been discovered inside a cash-filled shoe box in the home of the couple that operated the center, told a different story: $222,238 in profits.

                                The couple said it was operating a legitimate marijuana dispensary and had done nothing wrong, according to one of their lawyers.

                                In Oakland, Harborside Health Center, one of the largest dispensaries on the West Coast and a model for the medical marijuana industry, is being audited by the Internal Revenue Service, said Harborside’s chief executive, Stephen DeAngelo. An I.R.S. spokesman said the agency neither confirmed nor denied audits.

                                Last month, officials in Oakland postponed plans to license large-scale marijuana farms in the city after the Justice Department and the city attorney warned separately that the businesses could violate state and federal marijuana laws.

                                The medical marijuana industry has continued to flourish since a state proposition to legalize cannabis was defeated in November. Oakland finance officials estimate that the city’s three dispensaries generated $35 million to $38 million in revenue last year, up from $28 million in 2009.

                                San Jose now boasts 98 dispensaries — four times the number of 7-Eleven convenience stories in the city.

                                State law allows collectives to cultivate medical marijuana, but the law is less clear when it comes to selling the product, said William Panzer, a lawyer who helped write California’s seminal medical marijuana law, Proposition 215. Under guidelines issued by the state attorney general, dispensaries are advised not to profit from their activities. But the guidelines are fuzzy, Mr. Panzer said, and there is virtually no case law on the issue.

                                “Let’s come out from under the shadows and say, ‘Here are the rules,’ ” Mr. Panzer said. “The law around distribution is very hazy, and we need the Legislature to do something. We’ve fallen behind other states on regulations for medical marijuana sales.”

                                After staking out the New Age Healing Collective for eight months, Santa Clara County narcotics agents raided it on Oct. 7. They found marijuana and a black ledger listing sales and expenses, a police report said. The ledger stated that the collective’s $255,642 in sales from May through September were offset by $323,170 in operating expenses and $55,600 that the dispensary spent on rent and payroll.

                                The same day, officers raided the home of Jonathan Mitchell and Sheresie Dyer, the operators of New Age Healing. In a clothes closet, according to the police report, they found a Glock pistol, a pound of marijuana and a shoe box containing $15,971 and a “cash book.” The ledger, the report stated, showed that New Age’s gross receipts were $601,008 for those five months, a $222,238 profit.

                                “Their described activity as a collective is nothing more than a retail store,” wrote Sgt. Dean Ackemann, who is now with the San Jose district attorney’s office. “Their only actions are providing marijuana to customers at street-level prices.”

                                The police say they also found state tax returns, listing $84,111 in gross sales for the second quarter of 2010, which the report characterized as “highly suspect.”

                                Geoffrey Rawlings, Mr. Mitchell’s lawyer, said that he would not comment on the specifics of the case, but that his client was legally providing medical marijuana to patients. Mr. Mitchell and the others have all pleaded not guilty.

                                Mr. Rawlings noted that the police were not raiding pizza restaurants, which are also cash businesses, but that the profile of marijuana dispensary operators might play a role in attracting the attention of the authorities.

                                “When you’re dealing with medical cannabis and you see these blond, dreadlocked corporate officers coming and going, it kind of agitates law enforcement and raises their hackles a little more than the pizza shop owner down the street,” Mr. Rawlings said. “They are convinced that these people are breaking the laws without any evidence in advance that they’re breaking the law.”

                                Medical marijuana activists have loudly protested the raids on San Jose dispensaries, which have proliferated without any city regulations.

                                “We are extremely concerned by the raids, man,” said Paul Stewart, executive director of the Medicinal Cannabis Collective Coalition, which represents several San Jose dispensaries. “They are acting on what could be considered a specious legal finding by the D.A., man; their finding is that all collectives are operating illegally because they are making a profit, man.”

                                Mr. Stewart said the dispensaries were easy targets since they were out in the open, unlike methamphetamine labs or other illicit drug operations.

                                “There is a concern that it appears they are attacking the low-hanging fruit,” he said.

                                Because laws are murky, dispensaries increasingly operate in the gray area between large-scale businesses and nonprofit health centers.

                                “It’s almost a hybrid operation,” said Betty Yee, the Bay Area’s representative on the Board of Equalization, which oversees state taxes. “It’s kind of difficult line to straddle for them, but a lot of them are doing it.”

                                Ms. Yee also said that although money was pouring into dispensaries, that did not mean operators were making big profits.

                                “The cost of their product is so huge that there is sometimes a perception that they’re making a lot of money when in fact their margins are pretty thin,” she said.

                                Though federal authorities have halted raids on medical marijuana dispensaries under the Obama administration, the I.R.S. has shown a new interest.

                                Harborside officials said the I.R.S. was raising questions about a section of the tax code known as 280E. That section, aimed at drug kingpins, prohibits companies from deducting any expenses if they are “trafficking in controlled substances.”

                                Harborside, which serves 70,000 members, has been lobbying the federal government to exempt medical marijuana dispensaries from the law. It sent a letter to Senator Barbara Boxer, Democrat of California, stating that it could be taxed out of business if the law was not changed.

                                “Harborside Health Center currently employs approximately 80 individuals in Oakland, CA,” the letter reads. “Unless we can change this law, these jobs are in jeopardy.”

                                Mr. DeAngelo, the Harborside chief executive, said that all the profits were put back into the business — and that the dispensary was not a drug dealer.

                                “Our contention is that what we’re doing is legal and not trafficking, and it’s not appropriate to apply it to us,” he said. “This is an industrywide issue.”
                                http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/09bcharborside.html?hpw=&pagewanted=print
                                “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                                "Capitalism ho!"

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