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  • Would you please stop smugly bashing Hera?

    I mean, it's just too easy to call someone a racist and hide behind the PC shield, thereby forcing them to frantically disprove these allegations instead of discussing the point in question. No matter how moderate the view presented might be, anything but "the blank slate" can safely by labelled racist to stop the debate in this way.
    I mean, it's obvious people are different, both physically and mentally, and it's obvious that these differences correlate with sociocultural groups which, in their own turn, often correlate with ethnic backgrounds. It's not a bloody functional relationship, so would you please stop pretending Hera thinks it is?
    Is it too hard to acknowledge that there's an interplay of culture and evolutionary selection that might cause different average IQ levels and other personality traits through a cycle of positive reinforcement?
    Modern African immigrants in the US are one of the most successful sociocultural groups, a bloody model minority, while the descendants of African slaves are one of the least. Again I have to reiterate (because some of you really revel in constructing and then fighting this straw man) this doesn't mean every single one of them is a retarded lazy welfare-tit sucker.
    Why is that? First of all, the slaves that were sold to the traders weren't chosen for their quick wit and academic achievements. The most prized were strong and complacent. The slave owners of the American South didn't value their slaves' intelligence. Sure, they might've needed a few smart slaves for household duties, but their most numerous slaves were picked for their endurance. By controlling the marriages they were able to exert huge pressure on the gene pool. On the other hand, certain other traits were also favoured in the slave population. For a disenfranchised person who cannot hope to amass a personal fortune the most pressing needs are avoiding harsh work and punishment, that is, sticking it to the man. This culture, along with another 100 years of segregation has created a culture of mistrust towards the white population of the US.
    Yes, these 100 years of segregation didn't help either. When any but the most brilliant achievement is repressed, this doesn't help the culture at all. And these outliers that manage to achieve success and evade the condemnation tend to lose touch with their culture. They're no longer role models and they're no longer affected by the general trends in their parent population.
    And the last 50 years didn't help either. Welfare-doused inner cities have created a new potent culture (which of course is rooted in the previous one) that doesn't reward academic excellence. Any success not aligned with the cultural life goals is generally dismissed and might be met with a shower of Oreos. Of course the average IQ is lower than the countrywide average. Yes, there are some simplifications in this explanations, but I can't be bothered to put warning clauses and confidence intervals everywhere.
    It's equally simple to observe and explain how the Chinese diaspora came to dominate the economy of the SE Asia or how come there are so many Ashkenazim in academia, but it's late here. And yet you prefer to shoot the messenger because the message is bitter.
    Yes, it's the culture and the pressure it exerts on the heritable traits that makes some sociocultural groups better or worse at some things. And yes, this means some cultures are more equal than others. And yes, refusing to acknowledge this and calling anyone who thinks so racist is stupid.
    /soapbox
    Also, I don't advocate actively reforming a culture from the outside. This is pointless. It's useful to exert some mild general pressure, but to rewrite the cultural code you need people who are rightfully considered role models. And this process will take time. Obama's example won't make every black kid run to a law school. But it helps.
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    As usual, European racism comes out.

    And just so you know, Hera's claims are about average IQ being low. All the non-Chinese/Japanese/Koreans/Jews/Northern Europeans are inferior because they have low average IQ's and the smarter outliers will invariably have descendants who regress to their low means. To him, there is no cultural explanation; purely genetic.

    What I find interesting is that his IQ data correlates with GDP per capita. He has a few exceptions like some of the small Arab emirates (though the Arab elite are a minority in these countries so I'm not sure who the national IQ represents), but for the most part, the middling countries as diverse as all the countries of Latin America and the Caribbean, Spain, Portugal, Greece, the Islamic world, the Balkans, Eastern Europe except for Poland, etc. all have average IQ's in the high 80's/low 90's. Then you have India and SE Asia with it in the mid-80's. Then sub-Saharan Africa in the high 70's. It's almost like if you had a scale and were comparing the economic wealth of each country, the IQ ranges would fit perfectly.

    Call me stupid but it's obvious what's going on here but Hera and his racist ilk don't see it. We know it's not that the average IQ of the population is the cause for the low GDP per capita since there's a multitude of better explanations for the GDP disparities. Rather, the poverty of a country is influencing its average IQ's.
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    • #3
      Russia is an Asian country. They only wish they were European. This is fact.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
        What I find interesting is that his IQ data correlates with GDP per capita. He has a few exceptions like some of the small Arab emirates (though the Arab elite are a minority in these countries so I'm not sure who the national IQ represents), but for the most part, the middling countries as diverse as all the countries of Latin America and the Caribbean, Spain, Portugal, Greece, the Islamic world, the Balkans, Eastern Europe except for Poland, etc. all have average IQ's in the high 80's/low 90's. Then you have India and SE Asia with it in the mid-80's. Then sub-Saharan Africa in the high 70's. It's almost like if you had a scale and were comparing the economic wealth of each country, the IQ ranges would fit perfectly.

        Call me stupid but it's obvious what's going on here but Hera and his racist ilk don't see it. We know it's not that the average IQ of the population is the cause for the low GDP per capita since there's a multitude of better explanations for the GDP disparities. Rather, the poverty of a country is influencing its average IQ's.
        You could probably thrown in a reference to the Flynn effect.

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        • #5
          Something obvious Onodera did not mention, is that American blacks, be them from Dominican Republic, Usa or Brazil, descend from the slaves who managed to survive the trip from Africa to the America under horrible conditions, and that most of them have non black admixture which sub saharans africans don't have.

          The issue with Hera is that no everybody is as fascinated as him by these things.

          The other issue is that human biodiversity was not once politically incorrect, a not so long time ago, believing that all humans were equal was reactionary, and having a darwinian understanding of the different human races was progressive.

          I have a few books (inherited, not bought) from german anthropologists of the XIX and early XX century, they were dudes traveling around the world with calipers measuring the body parts of non white people. The result of that was Nazism, and that kind of anthropology became taboo not because of scientific reasons but because of the monster it helped create, even though nowadays we have much better tools such as genetics to study that kind of things.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
            As usual, European racism comes out.
            You're probably the most racist and ignorant ****wit on here.

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            • #7
              It's because he's an Arab.
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                As usual, European racism comes out.
                Please clarify, what exactly is European racism?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Asher View Post
                  Russia is an Asian country. They only wish they were European. This is fact.
                  Serb taught you well. This is a berserk button for Russians.
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                  • #10
                    I'm well aware of Russia's inferiority complex with Europeans. It's well engrained in your history. Some of your greatest leaders spent more time in Europe Proper than back in Asiatic Russia.
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Provost Harrison View Post
                      Please clarify, what exactly is European racism?
                      I don't know. Why don't you ask the British National Party and the 6% of British who voted them into 2 seats in the European Parliament? And you British are, despite your history, the least racist of Europeans.

                      Sorry but things like banning hijab nation-wide in France, systematically harassing Muslims, etc. doesn't come off as racist to you people because it's just normal behavior.
                      "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                      "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by onodera View Post
                        I mean, it's just too easy to call someone a racist and hide behind the PC shield, thereby forcing them to frantically disprove these allegations instead of discussing the point in question.
                        Or he could just recognize that some ****wits don't warrant his caring so much. I may exchange words with someone, but that doesn't mean I always care.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                          I don't know. Why don't you ask the British National Party and the 6% of British who voted them into 2 seats in the European Parliament? And you British are, despite your history, the least racist of Europeans.

                          Sorry but things like banning hijab nation-wide in France, systematically harassing Muslims, etc. doesn't come off as racist to you people because it's just normal behavior.
                          Well more specifically what is different about European racism to your white-hood-wearing, black-hanging variety?

                          And the burkha banning was France, and only France. But we have Islam right on our doorstep unlike you, so it does create different circumstances.

                          But I get the feeling from the way you talk that it is just good old Philadelphia ghetto style racism/ignorance.
                          Speaking of Erith:

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                          • #14
                            To be fair, DaShi is the only one who just calls him racist and doesn't say much most of the time. gribbler accused me of the same but I have been the one who has had the most back-and-forths with Heraclitus. The only difference is that I've grown tired of it. Fine, he changes his tune now and then when I prove something small that he claimed wrong (like Blacks having more testosterone than whites) but his overall outlook on the world is disgusting and he constantly cites and references known racist material (I'm not just talking VDare which is considered racist by groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center, but also more explicit Stormfront-associated blogs).
                            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                            • #15
                              I don't know anything about the science of it all. It's possible, for all I know, that people of whatever group might have, on average, a lower IQ, muscle mass, penis size or what-have-you than members of another group. But the words "on average" make any such difference an irrelevance. You can't go making policy decisions on how to treat the entirety of a group based on averages--you have to treat individuals as just that, individuals. Especially when you factor in the strong influences of upbringing, cultural background and everything else. Given Hera's fondness for big schemes to Improve Humanity, it's only natural that such talk should wig me out. But I do think we'd do better to just ignore his racial threads and let them sink.
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