Scholarly history of Civil War vs. popular "history" of Civil War

[Al B. Sure!]

For the record, gribbler is not in the Genius Clique. He's just a wannabe.

But open offer to any Genius Clique member (KH, Solomwi, Kuci) or wannabe (gribbler), if you want to get it in like Darius and Docfeelgood did, I'm always game.

[giblets]

Excellent post, Sprayber. I'm glad someone is trying to get the thread back on topic after Al B. Sure derailed it.

[N35t0r]

he surely derailed it.

[Al B. Sure!]

No. Solomwi did and gribbler did. I was on topic. I responded to DaShi's point. Solomwi and gribbler wanted to be *********.

[giblets]

Not really, you were the one posting pics of separate water fountains. Sorry but this thread is about the ACW.

[Solomwi]

Hey ****, that's how I ****ing took it. Excuse me for assuming colloquial English. And since I mentioned in my lengthy post that I thought the ought not/incapable of distinction might have been the root of the confusion, you could have been a ****ing man and said, yeah that's what it was and left it alone, accepting it as a case of miscommunication.

INSTEAD YOU WANT TO BE A ****ER

at you extending your tarditude to cover thinking I'd read your lengthy post.

[DaShi]

I made a point?

[DaShi]

Also, I think gkrib should be in the genius club.

[Arrian]

Sprayber, as usual, with a good, solid post

-Arrian

[OzzyKP]

The Confederacy was a terrible experiment in our history. It has done more harm to the concept of states rights than anything else that I can think of. I was born and raised in the South and I love this region dearly but the constant insistence on claiming that the South fought for a noble cause gets on my nerves. Having to see idiots driving up and down the road with Confederate flags on their trucks claiming "Heritage not Racism" makes me sick to my stomach. Now I can understand the desire for people to want to believe that their ancestors fought for a noble cause but to ignore what the driving cause of the war was is to be dishonest. It is true that the North had and has forms of racism in its own right but the fact that the South institutionalized its racism in the form of slavery at first and then in laws limiting the rights of blacks cannot be denied if you are honest about the facts. The only way to ever get past that is to acknolwdege that the South was wrong and move on. One more thing that irritates me is the constant yacking about the war of Northern Aggression term that a lot of people down here talk about. I don't recall the South having a problem with an aggressive federal army when it was attacking Mexico and extending the borders south or all the talk about adding Cuba to the US. I actually believe that states should have more control over decisions that effect their people BUT if it means that an institution such as slavery would have been allowed to drag on for decades more or a large part of the people living in that state would be effectively shut out of the decision making process, then id rather there be a strong federal government to make sure everyone has an equal opportunity in life. I for one am happy about reading about Sherman's march through Georgia and South Carolina. It took the war to those people who were so enthusiastic about plunging the nation into a bloody war that cost so much in human life.

That's one Southerners opinion...

Much agreed.

[DinoDoc]

I for one am happy about reading about Sherman's march through Georgia and South Carolina.

Much agreed.

Yay! War crimes! Fun for the whole family.

[Dr Strangelove]

The South that Sloww grew up in:



I think it's easy for younger people to forget just how recent stuff like this was in America. Sloww isn't even that old () but he was a teenager back then.

I remember this. I'll testify. I remember the separate drinking fountains, the separate bathrooms, the separate theater sections, the separate entrances, ans that many places were off simply off limits to blacks.

I remember when the Memphis police hauled away my grandmother's housekeeper's son just because he was found walking near a crime scene. They let him go 2 weeks later, about 1 1/2 week after they caught the culprit, a white man who had gotten into a fight with the deceased over a woman.

I remember when my high school tried to cheat on the desegregation order by bringing the black kids into a separate home room, taking attendance, then busing them right back out to the Vocational Education school, which became the de facto black high school for about 6 months.

[Dr Strangelove]

It started in 1954 and the "Brown v. Board of Education " lawsuit that was focused on Topeka, Kansas (a Union state). The Civil Rights Act of 1964 followed.

Anti-segregationists chose Topeka for their test case because they needed affected individuals to bring their case to court and to persist in the pursuit of their case. It's no good if the plantiff dies before the case reaches the Supreme Court. Another important feature of the Brown v. case was that the courts found the facilities at the black schools to be essentially equal to those of the white schools of Topeka. In the original case in the district courts the judges decalred that prior SCUSA precedent, Plessey v Ferguson, made segregation legal, but the Topeka court also found that even with truly equivalent facilities segreagation harmed black children. This set the stage for referring the case to SCUSA. It should be remembered that SCUSA heard several segregation cases at the same time - Biggs v Elliot (SC), Davis v. Prince Edward Co. (VA), Gebhart v. Belton (DE), and Boling v. Sharpe (D.C.). In the cases of Briggs v., and Davis v. the inferiority of the facilities for educating black children were pretty much undeniable. In the case of Gebhart v. the District Court had already struck down the state's segregation law. The Boiling v. case was thrown in to involve Federal territory. The real importance of making Brown v. the banner case was to establish that material equality wasn't enough, tha segregation in and of itself was unconstitutional.

[Dr Strangelove]

[SlowwHand]

Whatever. It still started in Topeka.