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    Genetic Mutation May Lead to Violent and Reckless Behavior
    Finnish Genetic Variant May Lead to Severe Impulsive Behavior

    By MIKAELA CONLEY Dec. 22, 2010

    In a discovery that could help scientists further understand impulsivity in humans, researchers announced that they found a genetic variant that may contribute to spontaneous violent behavior.

    In a new study released in the journal Nature, a multinational research team examined the genes of 96 violent criminal offenders in Finland with behavioral disorders and compared it with DNA from a control group of 96 people in the country who had no such psychiatric diagnoses.

    Scientists found that the criminal offenders were three times more likely to have a genetic mutation, known as the HTR2B Q20* mutation than the control group.


    The offenders had been diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality disorder or intermittent explosive disorder, all conditions with symptoms of impulsive aggression.

    The mutation was found to affect the brain's levels of serotonin, a neurotransmitter that affects mood, appetite, sleep and impulsive behavior.

    "Impulsivity is a normal dimension of behavior, but it also plays a role in many psychiatric disorders, including alcoholism and suicidalism," said Dr. David Goldman, chief of the Laboratory of Neurogenetics at the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, in Bethesda, Md., and senior author of the study. "These disorders are often difficult to disentangle at the causal level, but by studying traits, we can find genes that contribute to important aspects of them."

    Finland, Diverse Genes But Less Disease

    Researchers specifically conducted the study in Finland because of its unique population and medical genetics. Goldman said modern Finns descend from a relatively small number of original settlers, which increased the chance of finding specific genes that influence impulsive behavior.

    "Finns have the same degree of genetic diversity as people from other cultures, but their genetic disease diversity is reduced," said Goldman. "Genetic heterogeneity tends to be reduced in Finland because of its unique population, which was founded by two major waves of migration."

    Alcohol and Impulsive Behavior

    "There were two triggers in people with the genetic mutation: the male sex and alcohol," continued Goldman. "Everyone who carried this gene and committed a violent crime was intoxicated, and this is an important interactive factor to note."

    Dr. Jason Jerry, a psychiatrist at the Alcohol and Drug Recovery Center at Cleveland Clinic, was struck by the overlap between serotonin levels, alcohol and impulsive behavior.

    "This is important to look at because serotonin is one of the main neurotransmitters that have been looked at across the board, from alcoholism to suicide," said Jerry. "And in this study, it wasn't just the variant of the gene. The variant had to be coupled with intoxication."

    But doctors note that violent and severely impulsive behavior is never cut and dry. The traits can be attributed to a host of nature and nurture characteristics, unique to each person.

    Impulsivity is defined as action without foresight. It is the center point of many psychiatric behaviors including suicide, aggression and alcoholism. Other conditions that feature highly impulsive behavior include kleptomania, pyromania, intermittent explosive disorder and trichotillomania (the compulsion to pull one's own hair out).

    While the study's authors noted the correlation between the gene variant and impulsivity, there are approximately more than 100,000 Finns who have this mutation. Just because people carry the genetic variant does not mean that they will act in an impulsive or criminal way.

    More than One Genetic Variant

    Dr. Igor Galynker, associate chairman of psychiatry at Beth Israel Medical Center in New York, pointed out that, although this specific genetic mutation relates to only people of Finnish descent, other genetic mutations have been found to cause impulsive behavior.

    "As most things in behavior, it is a multigenetic thing," said Galynker. "There are likely a lot of genes that relate to impulsivity."

    In a 2006 study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, researchers found that a variant of the MAOA gene, found in many Americans, was associated with an increased risk of impulsive aggression in humans. And carriers of the gene who had been abused as children were even more likely to be violent later in life.

    DNA & Individualized Medicine

    So how can these findings help medicine in the future, especially for those who suffer from severe impulsivity?

    While personalized care has become the face of new medicine, Dr. David Beversdorf, a neurologist in the departments of radiology, neurology and psychological sciences at University of Missouri Health Care, said that scientists still must take caution when assuming the identification of genes will result in individualized treatment.

    "[It] has been tricky," said Beversdorf. "Some positive findings have been confirmed in follow-up research. However, a large number of studies that showed tremendous promise for identifying a gene that might affect treatment in initial research have not panned out in further studies."

    But still, doctors remain hopeful.

    Jerry said, "Studies like these can hold the hope and promise of someday directing treatment where we can ask, Is there a way we can intervene from a medical standpoint to decrease impulsive behavior?"
    In a new study released in the journal Nature, a multinational research team examined the genes of 96 violent criminal offenders in Finland with behavioral disorders. Scientists found that the participants were three times more likely to have a genetic mutation, known as the HTR2B Q20* mutation than non-impulsive people in the study.


    There's a 100,000 of them! My next-door neighbors have a Finnish last name. And I always thought they appeared so friendly but I'm not so sure anymore. Now I won't get any sleep tonight.

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    Kit, may I suggest that you volonteerly join an education camp ? It's less embarrasing than if the PC police come and get you.

    I admit that you have a strong point because it's finns, but they are still immigrants and they can't do anything wrong, so you better go

    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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    • #3
      I think I'll rather run for Denmark instead when that day comes. Will you take me in?

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      • #4
        Well, that you hae to discuss with Pia, and you know how she has it with immigrants.

        Though, you might not want to come here - they are warming up to an election and there are a risk that Helle & Søvnig may win
        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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        • #5
          Come on it'll be fun. You can hide me in your attic when the Pia Jugend comes knocking on the door.

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          • #6
            I do actually have a snowfilled balcony where you might feel at home. I know it's second floor, but I guess that you soon become accustomed to climb up/down a rope
            With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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            • #7
              compared it with DNA from a control group of 96 people in the country who had no such psychiatric diagnoses.


              I'm surprised they were able to find 96
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              • #8
                Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                compared it with DNA from a control group of 96 people in the country who had no such psychiatric diagnoses.


                I'm surprised they were able to find 96
                Bet that they would have same problem in canuckistan
                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                  Kit, may I suggest that you volonteerly join an education camp ? It's less embarrasing than if the PC police come and get you.

                  I admit that you have a strong point because it's finns, but they are still immigrants and they can't do anything wrong, so you better go

                  Actually you're wrong. According to swedish law, it's not racism as long as you target someone of nordic ancestry
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                  • #10
                    I thought the Finns weren't Nordic, but some other ethnic group? They don't have an Indo-European language, that sounds fishy to me...
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Combat Ingrid View Post
                      Actually you're wrong. According to swedish law, it's not racism as long as you target someone of nordic ancestry
                      Is it racist if you target someone of finno-ugric ancestry?
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                      • #12
                        I'm pretty sure Finns are counted as nordic in this context. Essentially, the point of the law is that you can't be a victim of a racist crime if you're too white.
                        Therefore, swedes, greeks, chinese and somalis can all join together and make fun of the finns, it's quite ok and it's not racist
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                        • #13
                          Scientists say Finland populated by violent drunken mutants.

                          Bugs ******* Bunny says I told you so.

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                          • #14
                            Well, it's true so I can't see why it would be racist. In fact I'm all for this. It's about time, now someone in Finland should realize it as well, that this is not normal. if you grow up seeing drunk people pissing on your door, people wrestling and punching each other out in front of your supermarket, of course at some point you think it's normal to some extent.

                            When you travel, you see that normal population doesn't do this. Sure, poor areas have their problems, socio-economic blaablaablaa but there are reasons, struggle, environment, all kinds of things that factor into it. In here, there's relative poverty sure but let's face it, Finns are idiots. Finns really do believe Finland is the best country in the world and if some other country says the same, they're being nationalist and clearly wrong. Finns are idiots, violent drunks.

                            You go boozing with bunch of Finns and at least one of them turns out to be violent after 8 beers, because they attack one of you. Then you have one person who tries to stop it, so that's a wrestling match right there. It would be sort of OK but it happens about every single time. I don't generally like Finns. I usually don't have the same problem when interacting with just about any other nationality.

                            But of course Finns never believe this would be true or worrying at all. And of course if it was about some other nationality, it would be racist and outrageous, we'd be at a point of finding trash about the "scientists" behind this study, asking about the ethics, why would anyone benefit from this, who financed it, and just talking **** and trying to ban these kinds of studies. We'd be posting the pictures of researchers with huge font "RACISSSSSSSSST! NEW NAZI SCIENCE???", make it that the REAL results are in fact the exact opposite because I just said so and all the results of science are always an object of interpretation and the hidden agenda of these nazi researchers was now revealed and we will make sure they can never work again. And then we cry a lot. Then we cry some more.

                            Bottom line, doesn't make it otherwise. Finns are genetically mutated drunk violent idiots. The best part is that they think they're peaceful.
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