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    BBC

    Asia's Hmong ethnic minority has been scattered by hardship and warfare for centuries, but one of its most unusual destinations was French Guiana in the Caribbean.

    "The Hmong people have never had a country before," says Txong Fong Moua, one of the founding members of the Hmong village of Cacao, inland from the capital Cayenne.

    "All we ever needed was a forest, somewhere to produce vegetables. We built everything from scratch, all our houses, our farms, everything, until it became our new home."

    Life in Cacao village

    In pictures

    The French Guiana link goes back to the 1970s, after Hmong refugees were left behind when their US allies pulled out of South East Asia. Many fled to Thailand, and some were later resettled overseas by France and the US.

    The first group of 45 Hmong arrived in Cayenne in 1977. They were transferred to a new plot of land in the Amazonian jungle, which they called Cacao. Since then, nearly 2,000 Hmong have settled in French Guiana.

    Txong Fong Moua arrived with 13 members of his family.

    Thanks to Hmong traditions of marrying young and having large families, he now has 84 living descendants.

    He lives with his wife, his daughter and son-in-law, and their two children, in a traditional Laos-style wooden house.

    Like most of Cacao's houses, it is sparsely furnished but also contains many hi-tech gadgets, like satellite dishes and a widescreen television - evidence that the Hmong in French Guiana have done extremely well for themselves.

    Although they make up only 1% of the population of, they now control 70% of the country's agriculture.

    "Before, in Laos, we grew food only for our own families to eat," said Joseph Toh, one of Txong Fong Moua's son-in-laws.


    The Hmong have been running all their lives
    Madame Ly Dao Ly
    Village baker

    "But when we came here, we needed money to live, and to make enough to sell. So we moved from simple farming to more advanced farming technology," he said, demonstrating an irrigation system he had set up on his land.

    Using these techniques, as well as pesticides and herbicides, the Hmong have managed to carve out pristine farms from the rainforest.

    Demonstrations

    The Hmong sell a wide variety of fruit and vegetables at the weekly produce market in the capital, Cayenne, earning around $500-600 dollars per trip.

    Although the fruits of their labour are well received by the local population - their tasty rambutans sell out quickly - people were initially wary of the Hmong.

    Demonstrations were organised in the capital Cayenne prior to their arrival, as the locals were worried that the Hmong would steal their jobs.

    But perhaps because the Hmong have largely kept themselves to themselves, the locals seem to have accepted their presence in the country.

    Child in traditional Hmong dress
    The Hmong families preserve ancient traditions

    This self-sufficiency and self-reliance has left them somewhat isolated from the wider community, and this can cause problems.

    "Hmong men are very shy," says Vietnamese born Ly Ngoc Lan, who teaches creative arts at Cacao elementary school.

    "They rarely marry outside the small community, and as a result many people are marrying people who are basically relatives, cousins or even aunts and uncles," she said.

    Another problem that the community has is that the work ethic is so strong, education often takes second place.

    "Because the parents work so hard on their farms, they are more focussed on that than their children's education. As a result, not many of them go on to higher education."

    Traditions

    Perhaps because many of them had to leave everything behind when they fled Laos after the Americans pulled out of the war, the Hmong are very focussed on earning money.

    The Hmong have been running all their lives", says Ly Dao Ly, Cacao's village baker. "Maybe they feel that even though they are citizens here, they might have to run again, and so money is their security."

    Madame Ly is a strong believer in keeping Hmong traditions alive in Cacao. In between baking croissants and baguettes for the village, a trade she learnt in France, she teaches traditional Hmong dancing to the children.

    "I am worried that if people work too hard, they won't have enough time to teach their children our ancient traditions," she said.

    However, some Hmong traditions appear to be alive and well in Cacao.

    Animals such as buffaloes are still regularly sacrificed for big celebrations like weddings, where traditional dress is worn by many guests.

    Hmong handicrafts and embroidery sell well at the weekly Sunday market which attracts people from around the country.

    Embroidered cushion covers depicting the Hmong exodus from Laos across the Mekong river into Thailand provide an example of how the Hmong's recent history is being preserved by the women of Cacao.

    Religious beliefs, though, have shifted. Although traditionally animist, Christian missionaries have been active within the Hmong communities in French Guiana for years, and as a result, church attendance is extremely high.

    Even the young people of the village attend two or even three times a week.

    Although some of the elder people in the village said they would like to go back to Laos to visit, most of the younger generation seem to have less desire to find out where they have come from.

    They are more interested in travelling to America and France, both of which have sizeable Hmong communities.

    "Laos is not stable," said one Hmong farmer in his twenties.

    "If you are Hmong there, they can cut your head off. Here we have laws, we have liberty, democracy, we are free."
    Its good to see people who endured persecution finally thriving
    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
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    Who are you and what have you done with Hera?
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    • #3
      That's Hera alright. The message is that Hmong are a superior race compared to the lazy and stupid locals who have to buy food grown on their land from these Asian Jews.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by onodera View Post
        That's Hera alright. The message is that Hmong are a superior race compared to the lazy and stupid locals who have to buy food grown on their land from these Asian Jews.
        How could it be otherwise - it's French Guiana
        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

        Steven Weinberg

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        • #5
          Originally posted by onodera View Post
          That's Hera alright. The message is that Hmong are a superior race compared to the lazy and stupid locals who have to buy food grown on their land from these Asian Jews.
          More than 20% of the population are already either Europeans, Indians or Chinese. Why would the Hmong out compete them due to HBD reasons?

          The Hmong are a rare exception in the success story of Asian Americans in the US, they have serious problems there. I very much doubt their average IQ is up to pair with the North East Asians such as Koreans, Chinese and Japanese. Perhaps 100, perhaps high 90s, don't really have the data on hand.

          Their success is in my opinion not due to genetics. A culture of hard work, a stable country and some good timing are probably closer on the money.
          Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
          The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
          The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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          • #6
            We don't like you.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by DaShi View Post
              We don't like you.
              I don't post to be liked.
              Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
              The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
              The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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              • #8
                Don't you wish you spent you efforts on something useful than all that debunked crap?
                “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                "Capitalism ho!"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DaShi View Post
                  We don't like you.
                  I don't dislike him. I have no interest in his theories about race, but he's not totally stupid and he's generally polite. If he'd stop posting this stuff nobody but him cares about, we'd all get along famously.
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                  • #10
                    Humankind needs conflict to thrive. Your world would be the extinction of our species. Frankly, I'm not surprised at this coming from a liberal who probably brings his own bags to the grocery store!!!11!!! :angry;
                    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                    "Capitalism ho!"

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                    • #11
                      Wait... how else are you going to carry the tofu and hummus from the Trader Joe's to your Yaris?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Elok View Post
                        I don't dislike him. I have no interest in his theories about race, but he's not totally stupid and he's generally polite. If he'd stop posting this stuff nobody but him cares about, we'd all get along famously.
                        Politeness is overrated.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                          Wait... how else are you going to carry the tofu and hummus from the Trader Joe's to your Yaris?
                          Trader Joe's is not a snob hippy store. It is cheap and carries good, earth-destroying things like cheap, non-organic meats and plastic bags.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
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                          • #14
                            Fact: there are only 2 TJ's on Manhattan, and they are 10 blocks from each other, both equidistant from my house.

                            Fact2: I go to the one on 21st and 6th because it is less busy.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
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                            • #15
                              Fact 3: they have now opened a third TJ's on the UWS.

                              Fact 4: **** the UWS
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                              Stadtluft Macht Frei
                              Killing it is the new killing it
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