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    The first civilian trial of a Guantanamo detainee ended in disarray Wednesday with an alleged Al Qaeda operative convicted on only a single conspiracy count the African embassy bombing trial.

    Ahmed Ghailani, 36, was acquitted on 224 counts after being charged with helping a terror cell buy a truck and components for explosives used in a suicide bombing in Tanzania on Aug. 7, 1998.

    The jury found Ghailani convicted of conspiring to destroy U.S. buildings and property. The charge carries a mandatory 20-year to life sentence because there was loss of life. Ghailani is due back in Manhattan federal court for sentencing on Jan. 25.

    The case was considered a test-run for the politically-charged possibility of trying other detainees held at Guantanamo Bay in civilian courtrooms.

    The verdict came after five days of sometimes stormy deliberations in which a juror asked to be removed on Monday which had raised the specter of a hung jury.

    The attack in Dar es Salaam and a nearly simultaneous bombing in Nairobi, Kenya, killed 224 people, including 12 Americans.

    The day before the bombings, Ghailani fled with a one-way ticket to Pakistan under an alias, prosecutors said.

    While on the run, he spent time in Afghanistan as a cook and bodyguard for Osama bin Laden and later as a document forger for al-Qaida, authorities said.

    He was captured in 2004 in Pakistan and held by the CIA at a secret overseas camp. In 2006, he was transferred to Guantanamo and held until the decision last year to bring him to New York.

    The defense has argued that Ghailani was a "dupe" who was in the dark about the plot. They called no witnesses to testify on his behalf.

    Deliberations began last Wednesday following a month-long trial.
    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/11/17/2010-11-17_alleged_alqaeda_operative_acquitted_of_all_but_ one_charge_in_terror_trial_.html#ixzz15aR2gGt7

    Seriously? They convicted him of a charge that by its very nature requires intent (meaning that he knowingly agree on and to in the unlawful act) and b) an overt act in furtherance of said overt act. Then the jury proceeds to buy into his defense that he was nothing more than a dupe errand boy.

    1) What does this result say about the future of other possible Gitmo trials? Will they be before civilian courts or military tribunals?

    2) Will this event be an excuse for the Admin to throw Holder under the bus and shove him out of the cabinet?
    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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  • #2
    Eric Holder is who?
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    • #3
      I think you should ask a third question:

      What does this say about the intelligence level of the jury?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Asher View Post
        Eric Holder is who?
        a Democrat, therefore Dinodoc passionately hates him.

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        • #5
          Yup, thats definitely weird - 224 counts and they got him on 1, conspiracy to bomb and kill. How could they not get him on all sorts of stuff related to the actual crime? And if they acquitted him (or whatever) on all those other charges how could they claim he was trying to kill people?

          If its true the guy fled the day before under an alias and ended up as a OBL lackey, thats enough to nail him right there.

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          • #6
            Why didnt they just keep him forever in military prisons? Why risk a trial at all?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by gribbler View Post
              a Democrat, therefore Dinodoc passionately hates him.
              Unless you actually live under a rock you should realize there are dozens of reasons to hate Eric Holder beyond the fact that he is a Democrat.
              If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                Unless you actually live under a rock you should realize there are dozens of reasons to hate Eric Holder beyond the fact that he is a Democrat.
                Or maybe someone has absolutely no interest in this ****.

                I remember being your age and thinking **** mattered and was important Apathy will come.
                "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                • #9
                  I wasn't aware that I lived under a rock.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    Unless you actually live under a rock you should realize there are dozens of reasons to hate Eric Holder beyond the fact that he is a Democrat.
                    Go on...

                    If this is all you can say, you really need to work on expanding your repertoire of right wing talking points.

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                    • #11
                      Yeah I checked the wikipedia article on him...

                      Maybe because he represented the NFL in the Mike Vick dogfighting case?

                      as Attorney General, nothing I would really see a 17 year old kid getting worked up over. There's the dismissal of the indictment of Ted Stevens, the Black Panther election controversy here in Philly, and this trials for suspected terrorists thing... I guess someone could be passionate about these issues.
                      "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                      "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                      • #12
                        He must be against access to porn.
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #13
                          Holder has stated that he plans to prosecute people in California if they possess marijuana even if Californian voters pass a proposition legalizing marijuana (Proposition 19).
                          Maybe that. It didn't pass anyway so it's a moot point.
                          "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                          "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                          • #14
                            Holder's Department of Justice ended a civil suit originally brought by the Bush administration against members of the New Black Panther Party for alleged voter intimidation due to an apparent lack of evidence. This has caused controversy amongst conservative commentators, since some former members of the department, including J. Christian Adams, accused Holder and the Justice Department of dropping the case due to racial prejudice. Other pundits have pointed out that DOJ officials at the end of the Bush Administration said that the facts of the case did not constitute a prosecutable criminal violation and refused to pursue this course of action before Obama was inaugurated.
                            Maybe this. I wouldn't be surprised if he fell for the Republicans playing the race card.

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                            • #15
                              The man hasn't aged much or even changed his look in at least a decade

                              2000:


                              2009:
                              "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                              "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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