Gary, Indiana

[KrazyHorse]

Have you lost what little sanity you were holding onto, my child?

Was it when I told you that you would never get my recommendation for any finance position, despite my offer to Kuci (who had expressed no interest in such an offer)?

[Al B. Sure!]

In reality, of course, I trawled the internet looking for sources which placed as little daylight between Gary and Cincy yet could plausibly appear to be an honest methodology. And all in 8 minutes while watching TV and sipping a martini!

No, you took a few seconds to get disingenuous rankings and don't want to admit that you are a ******** who makes absurd claims about cities you know nothing about and then tries to use the google to prove your stupidity all the while with this annoying cocky arrogance.

[KrazyHorse]

I don't think you know what "disingenuous" means. Either that, or you place a lot more faith in my google-fu than is justified.

In my very first post, child, I explained exactly what I did: I went to the wiki pages on each city, looked for the most recent year of crime statistics, and posted that.

In order for this to have been disingenuous, my little ******, I would have had to:

1) Believe that Cincy IS far less dangerous than Gary
2) Somehow find some source for which I could claim a reasonable methodology and which showed little difference between the two cities
3) do this within a very few minutes

This is, of course, incompatible with the claim that I:

[make] absurd claims about cities [I] know nothing about

Twit.

[KrazyHorse]

Now, if we want to actually find something about about the crime statistics in these two cities, let's go to the heart of the matter (FBI crime database) (haven't looked yet, so please withhold your claims of disingenuousness)



Once we're done that, we can proceed to further discussion about the ****tiness of the two towns based on broader considerations than crime rates...

[Al B. Sure!]

I don't think you know what "disingenuous" means. Either that, or you place a lot more faith in my google-fu than is justified.

In my very first post, child, I explained exactly what I did: I went to the wiki pages on each city, looked for the most recent year of crime statistics, and posted that.

In order for this to have been disingenuous, my little ******, I would have had to:

1) Believe that Cincy IS far less dangerous than Gary
2) Somehow find some source for which I could claim a reasonable methodology and which showed little difference between the two cities
3) do this within a very few minutes

This is, of course, incompatible with the claim that I:

[make] absurd claims about cities [I] know nothing about

Twit.

Umm... what I think happened is that you had no idea what you were talking about, immediately saw stats on wiki that supported your claim (from different studies and from different years, mind you!), and didn't possess enough intellectual honesty to bother to check for where the cities ranked compared to each other on each study

[Al B. Sure!]

Now, if we want to actually find something about about the crime statistics in these two cities, let's go to the heart of the matter (FBI crime database) (haven't looked yet, so please withhold your claims of disingenuousness)



Once we're done that, we can proceed to further discussion about the ****tiness of the two towns based on broader considerations than crime rates...

No. I'm done with this. You make me physically ill.

[KrazyHorse]

Before I "open the box", my sweet child, I will be using the 2008 uniform crime report data, as the 2009 data is preliminary, and AFAIK the preliminary data is subject to significant revision.

[KrazyHorse]

No. I'm done with this. You make me physically ill.

You have no such impact on me. Try harder.

[KrazyHorse]

Umm... what I think happened is that you had no idea what you were talking about, immediately saw stats on wiki that supported your claim (from different studies and from different years, mind you!), and didn't possess enough intellectual honesty to bother to check for where the cities ranked compared to each other on each study

a) Intellectual honesty and disingenuousness are related, though not at all identical concepts
b) I don't think you really know what "intellectual honesty" is either. The standard by which you judge the quality of evidence in an online, real-time discussion is far different than the standard by which you judge (say) a paper which has been submitted for peer-review

Would the methodology "look up the most recent year on crime rankings on wikipedia" have passed the intellectual honesty hurdle in the latter case? Of course not. Did it pass enough of a sniff test for me to post it on poly? Sure. And if you'll note, twit, I refrained from calling you any names OR from declaring you dead wrong in that first post. All the post read was "Really?" then the two quotes and sources, then a half-line description of the methodology used in gathering the evidence.

The strength of my claim was therefore properly calibrated to the strength of my evidence, as far as I can see. And that, my dear, is the FUNDAMENTAL REQUIREMENT of intellectual honesty

Again, thanks for playing...

[KrazyHorse]

Let's reiterate the posts which caused albie started claiming I was both disingenuous AND ignorant (an impressive combination, within the span of a few minutes, on a subject as specific as the relative crime rates of Gary and Cincy...

Cincinnati, Ohio

Really?

[wiki quotes and links redacted]

Most recent years named in the wiki articles that I saw.

[Cort Haus]

On a slightly different note, 'Gary' is cockney rhyming slang for 'arsehole'. (Gary Glitter -- ****ter).

That is all. I really ought to go to bed.

[KrazyHorse]

Holy ****, it is late in UK time.

[KrazyHorse]

Actually, looking at those first two posts again, I am in fact quite proud of the intellectual honesty I displayed.

I refrained from calling Albie an idiot, and refrained from declaring my data definitive.

Graduate school really did breed that instinct into me. I don't declare myself right or my opponent stupid until I am absolutely sure of myself.

Me:

[KrazyHorse]

Before I "open the box", my sweet child, I will be using the 2008 uniform crime report data, as the 2009 data is preliminary, and AFAIK the preliminary data is subject to significant revision.

Opened the box:

City  	 Pop  	 Violent crime 	Homicide 	Rape 	Robbery 	Agg. assault 	Property crime Burglary 	Larceny-theft 	Motor vehicle theft 	Arson1
Cincy      332,608  	4,204  	73  	269  	2,419  	1,443  	20,264  	6,330  	12,328  	1,606  	225
Gary  	95,699  	890  	49  	51  	254  	536  	4,148  	1,406  	1,766  	976      -

So, Gary has a somewhat lower "violent crime" rate than Cincy, a significantly higher homicide rate, a somewhat lower rape rate, a significantly lower robbery rate, a slightly higher agg assault rate and somewhat lower rates of all forms of property crime other than GTA

Yes, completely incomparable

[KrazyHorse]

Crap, that didn't format well.

See http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...n-the-u.s/2008 for original source