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  • War ‘resisters’ run into a wall of resistance.

    National Post


    On its second reading in the Commons, Liberal MP Gerard Kennedy’s Private Member’s Bill C-440, requiring the government to cease deportation proceedings and grant permanent residency to Americans who come to Canada rather than go to war, was beaten 143 – 136.

    It was a bit of a surprise, given that polls show most Canadians are fed up with the war in Afghanistan. Even more supported the past Liberal government for not joining the U.S. war against Iraq and Saddam Hussein. The Private Member’s bill which was originally introduced by Kennedy and seconded by NDP-er Bill Siksay, applied to those identified as “Iraq war resisters.”
    Greatest support comes from aging Vietnam War draft dodgers who came to Canada. Many became productive Canadian citizens.

    The Harper government has turned a cold shoulder to Americans who came here to escape going to Iraq and Afghanistan, and who call themselves conscientious objectors.

    There’s a qualitative difference been Vietnam draft dodgers and today’s so-called “war resisters.” The draft dodger didn’t want to go to Vietnam, didn’t like the army, but since there was the draft (conscription) it was lump it, or leave the country.

    “War resisters,” is a polite word for “deserter.” These are people who joined the U.S. army for whatever reason, and then decided they didn’t want to go to Iraq (or Afghanistan), or to return to the war zone, so decided to conscientiously object – not in their country, but a neighboring country.

    Color it anyway you like, the bottom line is they ran away. In any army, “desertion” is an offence. If these Americans who are now seeking permanent residence in Canada truly oppose the idea of being in the army, why did they enlist in the first place?

    Some sought an education or trade, and thought it was easy money. Others may have joined in a fit of patriotism after 9/11— and then changed their mind. Some went to Iraq the first time, didn’t like it, and deserted when they were ordered back for a second tour.

    Some justify their actions by calling it an illegal war, and that they don’t want to kill innocent civilians. Pretty weak.

    Those who think wars are stupid and unnecessary, and that soldiers are brutes who kill innocent people, do not usually join the army. Those who join the army and change their mind, should have the courage to endure the consequences. It is not bravery to run away and oblige a neighboring country to give asylum, against the wishes of a democratic ally.

    So-called war resisters are not conventional refugees. They don’t face a death penalty or lifetime in prison if they are deported. Their lives are not in danger.

    There may be individual cases among those fighting deportation, who deserve Canada’s generosity. But a blanket approval would be to insult and scorn thousands of our own citizens who join the army, and re-sign when their original contract expires, and endure repeated tours in Afghanistan.

    Polls can be misleading. Many who say they support sanctuary for “war resisters” and/or “conscientious objectors,” might not be so quick to voice approval of “deserters” or “cowards.”

    Bill C-440 seems another ploy to re-focus Canadian values, and in a way dishonors those who don’t like war, but do what they see as their duty and live up to their word. That’s what courage is. And that’s how 143 MPs voted last Wednesday.



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  • #2
    «Those who think wars are stupid and unnecessary, and that soldiers are brutes who kill innocent people, do not usually join the army.»

    I understand that one may write so many editorials that he's being an argument-robot... but that is incredibly lame.
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    • #3
      I didn't even know they were trying to pass a bill like that. No assylum for the weak.

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      • #4
        Personally, I feel that any “war resistors” that are caught, should be sent to Canadian Forces Service Prison and Detention Barracks to serve a sentence of 1 year and then be deported back to the United States to face punishment under the UCMJ.
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        • #5
          after being tricked into recruitment by fancy stories, they will have to run to Mexico instead...
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          • #6
            bc your being to light on them it should be 5 years hard labour then deportation.

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            • #7
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              • #8
                I really don't have a problem with someone doing a tour with honor, then being ordered back, and not wanting to go, and acting on it. These guys have seen combat. They went to war, and "didn't like it"? Seriously? Who the bleep likes war? They basically give up their life, if not in the literal sense. They'll never be able to return to their homes, or if they do, face jailtime.

                Plus, I do think the recruiting people sugarcoat it all. Few years, by the time you're done, it'll be over, cozy deskjob, education, a paid vacation in a foreign land, as the song goes.

                Writer of that article seems a bit biased. Maybe an objector ran over his cat?
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                • #9
                  So they should be forgiven for being dumb.

                  Hey, I'll take a huge loan, burn all the cash, and then escape to canada to avoid paying it back! After all, the guy who offered the loan was certainly sugar coating it!
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                  • #10
                    Basically what the last guy said.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NoodleNaught View Post
                      bc your being to light on them it should be 5 years hard labour then deportation.
                      Actually, according to an older and less enforced section of the CF’s Legal System, a member of the JAG can petition for the death penalty to be enforced (though Canada no longer legally has capital punishment) since desertion is still considered a capital offense in Canada. Now some will say that this law only applies to Canadian Servicemen which though is true, there was also a subsection which allowed the provost services of Canada to apply capital punishment to deserting allied troops (which goes back to the First World War).
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                      • #12
                        Well how do they do executions in CFs? (Firing squad, or hanging)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by N35t0r View Post
                          So they should be forgiven for being dumb.

                          Hey, I'll take a huge loan, burn all the cash, and then escape to canada to avoid paying it back! After all, the guy who offered the loan was certainly sugar coating it!
                          Dumb, perhaps, gullible, most certainly. Of course, you are doing this cashburning premeditatedly, if that's a word. I'd figure the usual recruit is below 20, un-educated, from poor neighbourhood, knows **** about the world in general, and even less about what war really is. Fill his head with promises of shiny medals, education, dough, maybe a bit of excitement, and a sprinkling of patriotism, and he'll sign up. War is just shooting some ragheads and drinking beer with your buddies, right? After spending a year in someplace like Afghanistan, seeing his friends get killed, maimed, and their minds crushed by what war is, he might have different view on the matter.
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