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    September 30, 2010
    TARP Bailout to Cost Less Than Once Anticipated
    By JACKIE CALMES
    WASHINGTON — Even as voters rage and candidates put up ads against government bailouts, the reviled mother of them all — the $700 billion lifeline to banks, insurance and auto companies — will expire after Sunday at a fraction of that cost and could conceivably earn taxpayers a profit.

    A final accounting of the government’s full range of interventions in the economy, including the bailouts of mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, is years off and will likely remain controversial and potentially costly.

    But the once-unthinkable possibility that the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program could end up costing far less, or nothing, became more likely on Thursday with the news that the government had negotiated a plan with the American International Group to begin repaying taxpayers.

    The rescue of the troubled insurer included $70 billion from the bailout program that was enacted exactly two years ago, at the height of the global financial crisis late in the Bush administration, initially to prop up big banks.

    At the White House on Thursday, the Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner, briefed President Obama about A.I.G. and about the broader outlook for the expiring rescue program, putting the projected losses at less than $50 billion, at most. Yet neither the White House nor Congressional Democrats are likely to boast much in the month remaining before midterm elections. For most voters, TARP remains a four-letter word.

    Brian A. Bethune, the chief financial economist in the United States for IHS/Global Insight, while critical of parts, called the program overall “a tremendous success. Now obviously, they can’t go out on the campaign trail and say that because certainly, for a lot of voters, it’s just not going to resonate.”

    The “bank bailout” was the first big issue, before the Obama administration’s roughly $800 billion stimulus plan and its health insurance overhaul, to stoke the rise of the tea party movement. After supporting TARP, several Republicans have lost elections largely because of their votes. For many Americans, TARP is more than a vote; it is a symbol of big government at its worst, intervening in private markets with taxpayers’ billions to save Wall Street plutocrats while average Americans struggle through the recession those financiers spawned.

    Fewer than three in 10 Americans believe the program was necessary “to prevent the financial industry from failing and drastically hurting the U.S. economy,” according to a poll in July for Bloomberg News.

    “This is the best federal program of any real size to be despised by the public like this,” said Douglas J. Elliott, a former investment banker now associated with the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank.

    “It was probably the only effective method available to us to keep from having a financial meltdown much worse than we actually had. Had that happened, unemployment would be substantially higher than it is now, the deficit would have gone up even more than it has,” Mr. Elliott added. “But it really cuts against the grain for a public that is so angry at banks to think that something that so plainly helped the banks could also be good for the public.”

    After Sunday the Treasury can no longer commit money to new initiatives or recycle repayments to other purposes.

    The Treasury never tapped the full $700 billion. It committed $470 billion and to date has disbursed $387 billion, mostly to hundreds of banks and later to A.I.G., to the auto industry — Chrysler, General Motors, the G.M. financing company and suppliers — and to what is, so far, an unsuccessful effort to help homeowners avoid foreclosures.

    When Mr. Obama took office, the financial system remained so weak that his first budget indicated the Treasury might need another $750 billion for TARP. The administration soon dropped that idea as Mr. Geithner overhauled the rescue program and the banking system stabilized. Still, by mid-2009, the administration projected that TARP could lose $341 billion, a figure that reflected new commitments to A.I.G. and the auto industry.

    The Congressional Budget Office, which had a slightly higher loss estimate initially, in August reduced that to $66 billion.

    Now Treasury reckons that taxpayers will lose less than $50 billion at worst, but at best could break even or even make money. Its best-case scenarios, however, assume that A.I.G. and the auto companies will remain profitable and that Treasury will get a good price as it sells its corporate shares in coming years.

    “We’d have to be very lucky to have both A.I.G. and the auto companies pay us back in full,” Mr. Elliott said.

    Also, the best result for taxpayers would likely mean bad results for homeowners in trouble. Treasury has been prepared to use up to $50 billion to help modify mortgages for people facing foreclosure, but its initiatives have been such a failure that little has been spent.

    Whatever the final losses from housing, auto companies, A.I.G. or smaller banks, those will be offset by taxpayers’ profits from the big banks that have been the focus of their ire since 2008.

    They have repaid their loans and Treasury has collected about $25 billion more from dividends and proceeds from the sale of warrants held as collateral, officials say. Many smaller banks hold on to their loans, however, reflecting their continued weakness and the desire of some others to keep the money given its advantageous terms. Scores are behind on dividend payments to the Treasury.

    By any measure, TARP’s final tally will be less than even its advocates expected amid the crisis. But the program remains a big loser politically.

    On Wednesday, four days before its expiration, House Republicans nonetheless unsuccessfully forced a symbolic vote on legislation to end TARP. “We would be much better served if private institutions would either fail or be successful on their own,” said the sponsor, Representative Erik Paulsen of Minnesota, in an interview.

    Among those who voted for the program in 2008, several Republicans have lost nominating contests for re-election or for another office, and other lawmakers are on the defensive in general election races.

    Senator Robert F. Bennett of Utah was “Bailout Bob” to Republicans who refused to re-nominate him for a fourth term at a party convention.

    “For those who were screaming at me — and screaming was the operative word — ‘You’ve just saddled our children and grandchildren with $700 billion,’ I said, ‘No, I haven’t,” Mr. Bennett said in an interview.

    “My career is over,” he added. “But I do hope that we can get the word out that TARP, number one, did save the world from a financial meltdown and, number two, did so in a manner that, I believe, won’t cost the taxpayer anything. And even if it did not all get paid back, it was still the thing to do.”
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
    "Capitalism ho!"

  • #2
    It looks like all the loans to banks (and other financial institutions) will end up getting repaid with a profit. The handouts to homeowners and car companies won't be. And the loans to big banks are more likely to be repaid at a profit than are the loans to smaller banks.

    As always, on a moral scale:

    big banks > little banks > homeowners > unions

    On a side note, one of the reasons that big banks didn't end up costing the taxpayers money is prop trading and OTC derivatives market making.

    Smaller banks that merely lent money to consumers and businesses were much more badly impacted.

    Diversification

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    • #3
      Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
      It looks like all the loans to banks (and other financial institutions) will end up getting repaid with a profit. The handouts to homeowners and car companies won't be. And the loans to big banks are more likely to be repaid at a profit than are the loans to smaller banks.

      As always, on a moral scale:

      big banks > little banks > homeowners > unions
      This assumes that the goal was to be paid back directly with profit, and ignores the wider benefits to the community of the home owner bailouts.

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      • #4
        Keeping people in homes they can't afford is a benefit?
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        • #5
          Reducing the number of foreclosures reduces downward pressure on the market and thus lessens overall wealth reduction.

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          • #6
            TARP

            It was always the right thing to do to prevent the financial system from falling.
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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            • #7
              An argumeent can be made that TARP is a mixed bag. Some good some bad. The bad typically associated with auto bail out and giving preferential treatment to union pension obligations at the expense of of other creditors.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by ricketyclik View Post
                Reducing the number of foreclosures reduces downward pressure on the market and thus lessens overall wealth reduction.
                How does preventing a reduction in the overvaluation of the market do anything other than kick the can down the road?
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                  How does preventing a reduction in the overvaluation of the market do anything other than kick the can down the road?
                  If you can slow down a crash enough the market may recover somewhat during that period as the real value will probably be rising, assuming population growth and a slow down in construction investment. Also, a more gradual decline is less likely to produce a collapse in the rest of the economy and accompanying unemployment and human misery.

                  In summary, some assistance during recessions can cushion the fall, just as cutting back public expenditure during growth cycles can dampen the growth, the idea being to smooth out the boom and bust cycles that are inherent to free market environments.

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                  • #10
                    Aren't we essentially borrowing from future prosperity and crowding out private investment when we use inflationary government policy to plan out the behavior of the economy via governmental policy?
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                      Aren't we essentially borrowing from future prosperity and crowding out private investment when we use inflationary government policy to plan out the behavior of the economy via governmental policy?
                      Like I said, expansionary when the economy is slow, cooling when hot. In the sense that upward bumps are levelled off to fill the downward ones I guess one could draw that conclusion in the short term, but overall the extra stability should result in greater wealth in the long run.

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                      • #12
                        People with not even the vaguest clue about the state of modern macro making policy recommendations based on ridiculously oversimplified analogies
                        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                        Stadtluft Macht Frei
                        Killing it is the new killing it
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                        • #13
                          Are we talking about the government here?
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • #14
                            Trust me, I don't think they have the slightest ****ing clue what they're doing...

                            Even the Fed is struggling (partly because of its retarded system of regional governors, some of whom have very little understanding of monetary policy)...
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • #15
                              By the way, the two most competent government agencies in the US are the Fed and the CBO.

                              However, Congress has slowly learned to game the CBO and is taking away some of the Fed's ability to act independently.

                              The quality of government is going to go down as a result.
                              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                              Stadtluft Macht Frei
                              Killing it is the new killing it
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