Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Breaking: Cash for Clunkers was a dumb idea

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Breaking: Cash for Clunkers was a dumb idea

    Who would have guessed.


    IN THE market for a used car? Good luck finding a bargain: The price of “pre-owned’’ vehicles has climbed considerably over the past year. According to Edmunds.com, a website for car buyers, a three-year-old automobile today will set you back, on average, close to $20,000 — a spike of more than 10 percent since last summer. For some popular models, the increase has been much steeper. In July, a used Cadillac Escalade was going for around $35,000, or nearly 36 percent over last July’s price.

    Why are used-car prices rocketing? Part of the answer is that demand is up: With unemployment high and the economy uncertain, some car buyers who might otherwise be looking for a new truck or SUV are instead shopping for a used vehicle as a way to save money.

    But an even bigger part of the answer is that the supply of used cars is artificially low, because your Uncle Sam decided last year to destroy hundreds of thousands of perfectly good automobiles as part of its hare-brained Car Allowance Rebate System — or, as most of us called it, Cash for Clunkers. That was the program under which the government paid consumers up to $4,500 when they traded in an old car and bought a new one with better gas mileage. The traded-in cars — which had to be in drivable condition to qualify for the rebate — were then demolished: Dealers were required to chemically wreck each car’s engine, and send the car to be crushed or shredded.

    Congress and the Obama administration trumpeted Cash for Clunkers as a triumph — the president pronounced it “successful beyond anybody’s imagination.’’ Which it was, if you define success as getting people to take “free’’ money to make a purchase most of them are going to make anyway, while simultaneously wiping out productive assets that could provide value to many other consumers for years to come. By any rational standard, however, this program was sheer folly.

    No great insight was needed to realize that Cash for Clunkers would work a hardship on people unable to afford a new car. “All this program did for them,’’ I wrote last August, “was guarantee that used cars will become more expensive. Poorer drivers will be penalized to subsidize new cars for wealthier drivers.’’ Alec Gutierrez, a senior analyst for Kelley Blue Book, predicted that used-car prices would surge by up to 10 percent. “It’s going to drive prices up on some of the most affordable vehicles we have on the road,’’ he told USA Today. In short, Washington spent nearly $3 billion to raise the price of mobility for drivers on a budget.

    To be sure, Cash for Clunkers gave a powerful jolt to car sales in July and August of 2009. But it did so mostly by delaying sales that would otherwise have occurred in April, May, and June, or by accelerating those that would have taken place in September, October, or later. “Influencing the timing of consumers’ durable purchases is easy,’’ Edmunds CEO Jeremy Anwyl wrote a few days ago in a blog post looking back at the program. “Creating new purchases is not.’’ Of the 700,000 cars purchased during the clunkers frenzy, the estimated net increase in sales was only 125,000. Each incremental sale thus ended up costing the taxpayers a profligate $24,000.

    Even on environmental grounds, Cash for Clunkers was an exorbitant dud. Researchers at the University of California-Davis calculated that the reduction of carbon dioxide attributable to the program cost no less than $237 per ton. In contrast, carbon emissions credits cost about $20 per ton in international markets.

    Using Department of Transportation figures, the Associated Press calculated that replacing inefficient clunkers with new cars getting higher mileage would reduce CO2 emissions by around 700,000 tons a year — less than Americans emit in a single hour. Likewise, the projected reduction in gasoline use amounted to about as much as Americans go through in 4 hours. (And that’s only if you assume — contrary to historical experience — that fuel consumption decreases when fuel efficiency rises.)

    When all is said and done, Cash for Clunkers was a deplorable exercise in budgetary wastefulness, asset destruction, environmental irrelevance, and economic idiocy. Other than that, it was a screaming success.




    Is it possible for Obama to suck at economics even more?
    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
    ){ :|:& };:

  • #2
    Yeah, this one always smelled more of bribery than and any sound fiscal plan. But then that's typical of most democratic plans.
    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
    RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

    Comment


    • #3
      What really strikes me about this subsidy is that it's actually transferring wealth from the poor to the rich, which is absolutely disgusting. But a lot of subsidies end up that way, for example farm subsidies.
      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
      ){ :|:& };:

      Comment


      • #4
        I believe the used car market shortage and likewise parts shortages for used cars (via junk yard businesses) were well discussed outcomes at the time of the cash for clunkers proposals. I note the article doesn't address the parts implications that further impacts the poor. A true color me shocked outcome.
        "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

        “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

        Comment


        • #5
          The traded-in cars — which had to be in drivable condition to qualify for the rebate — were then demolished: Dealers were required to chemically wreck each car’s engine, and send the car to be crushed or shredded
          That's ****ing retarded.

          See, why is it that people like Glenn Beck freaked out about the registration process and the government being authorized to **** with your computer but not paid any attention to something so asinine as that?
          "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
          "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

          Comment


          • #6
            They did, actually. But Cash for Clunkers was quite popular with the economically-illiterate masses of Kidicious clones.

            Kuci was telling me a while back about a friend who actually got a broken car repaired just so that it could be destroyed to get a cash for clunkers rebate.
            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
            ){ :|:& };:

            Comment


            • #7
              HC,

              AL B. gives reference to Beck going off the deep end on a conspiracy theory due to some privacy statement that needed to be filled out for application for CfC.

              You are correct tho, many saw this coming and stated so even if Beck was making a conspiracy charged rant rather than a substantive arguement the rest of the crowd was making.
              "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

              “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                They did, actually. But Cash for Clunkers was quite popular with the economically-illiterate masses of Kidicious clones.

                Kuci was telling me a while back about a friend who actually got a broken car repaired just so that it could be destroyed to get a cash for clunkers rebate.
                Well as long as the repairs were less than the rebate and he was going to buy a new car anyway... it made sense for him. The problem of course is incentivizing behavior that's bad for everyone else.
                "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

                Comment


                • #9
                  Sure, but it's a nice illustration of how perverse the incentives created by CfC were.
                  Solomwi is very wise. - Imran Siddiqui

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Yeah, be careful of what behavior you're trying to encourage.
                    I remember at a previous company, they wanted to encourage streamlining operations so one of the officers bonus was tied to the employee/membership ratio.
                    The president wasn't an idiot, so he fired some employees and replaced them with consultants. Since consultants weren't considered employees the ratio dropped so even though expenses increased (because the consultants were more expensive then the employees they replaced) the officers got a nice bonus.
                    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                    RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      The US is replete with examples of perverse company incentives. I would wager there are a number of books written on that subject alone.
                      "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

                      “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by rah View Post
                        Yeah, be careful of what behavior you're trying to encourage.
                        I remember at a previous company, they wanted to encourage streamlining operations so one of the officers bonus was tied to the employee/membership ratio.
                        The president wasn't an idiot, so he fired some employees and replaced them with consultants. Since consultants weren't considered employees the ratio dropped so even though expenses increased (because the consultants were more expensive then the employees they replaced) the officers got a nice bonus.
                        Exactly... and you work for companies like this and don't see any loss in personal days/vacation hours? Maybe you really are one of the overlords.

                        It's simple: You get what you measure, regardless of the other consequences.
                        "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
                          The US is replete with examples of perverse company incentives. I would wager there are a number of books written on that subject alone.
                          Often they say "ECONOMICS 101" on them.
                          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                          ){ :|:& };:

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                            Often they say "ECONOMICS 101" on them.
                            Not really. More like Introduction to Human Resources
                            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Yeah, my INTRO ECON books never covered that kind of stuff. I never took any HR classes.
                              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                              RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X